# The He-Man Woman Hater's Club **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 25, 2025, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124 "2025-11-25T16:59:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2025, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/1 "2025-11-25T16:59:10Z")
Pete, my brother, just quit with this Department of War nonsense, and give your organization the name you truly want it to have. It continues to amaze me the depths to which supposed strong men will go to avoid having to deal with women and girls. These “men” believe that males are so fragile that mere contact with females is destructive to their masculinity. Yes, Scouting America (née Boy Scouts of America) has recently made the decision to allow troops to choose what they’re calling Family Scouting, which allows a single troop to register both boys and girls at the same time. This is in addition to the existing single gender format, which would allow boys to continue scouting without those icky girls around. But you can’t be satisfied with that, and want the military to cut all ties with Scouting. Fine, I would be ok if my troop cuts all ties with the military. I was frankly getting sick of our annual “historical” campout being focused on this war and that war and this battle and that battle, and the memorial this and remembrance of that. This year the **boys and girls** in my troop will select something less focused on people killing other people, and we’ll be happy with the change. [Kegsbreath’s latest turd](https://www.npr.org/2025/11/25/nx-s1-5615164/pentagon-scouting-hegseth-cut-ties) ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2025, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/2 "2025-11-25T18:06:31Z")
The thing that’s so ridiculous about it is that ever since Scouting America let girls in, it’s been a parade of fig leaves whereby troops and packs effectively did family units while staying technically separate. Nonsense like having a girls den and a boys den in the same pack… with the same leader, meeting time, location, topics, etc. Or troops with joint PLCs and committees, and just separate patrols. Ultimately they just codified what was already happening. And chartering organizations can choose whether they allow co-ed units or not. And AFAIK even if they do, individual units can still choose to be boy or girl only. The point is the choice. If people want co-ed, then great. But if they want single sex, then that’s great too. There is/can be value in girl-only or boy-only stuff like this. My sons’ troop is boys-only and there aren’t any plans to change. What we’ve been doing is working and everyone is happy with it. But other troops in our district have been effectively co-ed for a while now and are probably happy to get rid of the charade. More power to them! And the whole idea that girls ruin scouting is stupid. Generally the girls outperform the boys because they’re less easily distracted and lazy than tween/teenage boys. And generally speaking, the BSA uniforms aren’t sexy looking for _anyone_, nor is being sweaty and unwashed like we typically are after the first night on a campout. This is totally Hegseth pushing a political agenda by way of performing his duties. As usual, he chooses the most reprehensible way he can do anything. ---
**Author:** ![Dorjan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dorjan/32/12440_2.png) [@Dorjan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dorjan)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2025, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/3 "2025-11-25T18:17:28Z")
The whole Boy Scouts vs Girl Scouts divide in the US always struck me as stupid, especially since so many national scouting organizations are coed. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2025, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/4 "2025-11-25T18:40:53Z")
He’s also threatening to drag Kelly back into active duty so he can court martial him. You’re boxing out of your weight class, Peetie. Kelly will make you look like the alcoholic loser that you are. ---
**Author:** ![irae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f0a364/32.png) [@irae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/irae)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2025, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/5 "2025-11-25T18:55:36Z")
Department of the War on Micropenis… ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2025, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/6 "2025-11-25T18:59:56Z")
> [@irae](#): > > on Micropenis I believe you meant “Defense of” ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2025, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/7 "2025-11-25T19:02:15Z")
> [@bump](#): > > The point is the choice. And that’s precisely what Republicans cannot stand. They do not want Americans to have choice in any aspect of their lives - personal or public. NO CHOICE. DO AS I SAY. This sums up their philosophy. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2025, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/8 "2025-11-25T19:46:07Z")
> [@bump](#): > > the whole idea that girls ruin scouting is stupid. Generally the girls outperform the boys because they’re less easily distracted and lazy than tween/teenage boys. I suspect that’s exactly what they’re afraid of — that the boys in mixed troops will find out that the girls are at least as good at such things as they are. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2025, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/9 "2025-11-25T19:52:17Z")
> [@bump](#): > > The point is the choice. If people want co-ed, then great. But if they want single sex, then that’s great too. There is/can be value in girl-only or boy-only stuff like this. Is everything gender equal now? For decades the Girl Scouts have had a monopoly on the cookie business. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2025, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/10 "2025-11-25T19:54:26Z")
In Scouting America (what used to be the Boy Scouts of America), yes. Girl Scouts is a separate organization that’s girl only. So in a sense, girls have one more choice than boys - they can be in girl Scouting America troops, co-ed troops, or in Girl Scouts. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2025, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/11 "2025-11-25T20:00:27Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > And that’s precisely what Republicans cannot stand. > > They do not want Americans to have choice in any aspect of their lives - personal or public. NO CHOICE. DO AS I SAY. This sums up their philosophy. I will partially disagree with this. They support choice, so long as people are choosing the “right things.” Their opposition to vaccines, masks during COVID, etc., all come down to “you’re infringing on my rights!” ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2025, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/12 "2025-11-25T20:06:04Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > For decades the Girl Scouts have had a monopoly on the cookie business. And, for decades, the Boy Scouts offered popcorn & nuts. > **[Weaver Popcorn Company | Trail's End](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weaver_Popcorn_Company#Trail's_End)** > > Trail's End is a brand sold by Scouting America in fundraising. Available flavors from year to year vary, but include: Caramel Corn, Butter Light (microwave), Unbelievable Butter (microwave), Kettle Corn (microwave), Caramel Corn with Almonds & Pecans, Butter Toffee Caramel Corn, Salted Caramel Corn, White Cheddar Cheese, Cheddar Cheese, Jalapeño Cheddar, Cheese Lover's Collection, Sweet and Savory Collection and Popping Corn. They also have chocolate products that include Chocolatey Peanut Clust... > **[About - Support Local Scouts](https://trails-end.com/pages/about-us)** > > Learn about our mission to support local Scouts and help them reach their goals through community support. Nothing’s really changed regarding their fundraising products. Except prices. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2025, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/13 "2025-11-25T20:15:53Z")
> [@bump](#): > > In Scouting America (what used to be the Boy Scouts of America), yes. For what it’s worth, my understanding is that the Boy Scouts changed to Scouting America, and started admitting girls, in 2019, because they were hemorrhaging money and losing members and adult leaders. This was largely due to two issues: - In 2018, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, which had been the single biggest sponsor of local Boy Scout troop charters (_edit: roughly 20% of Boy Scouts were members of LDS-sponsored local troops_), severed ties with the BSA, and created its own substitute youth organization. - Ongoing lawsuits around sexual abuse, and the cost of defending the BSA organization against them, led to major financial problems (and probably contributed to fewer boys joining); BSA finally declared bankruptcy in 2020. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2025, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/14 "2025-11-25T20:21:21Z")
Well the name change was in parts. Originally they renamed the Boy Scouts program (11-18 year olds) to Scouts BSA when they let girls in, but the national organization remained named “Boy Scouts of America”. Last year they changed the name of the national organization to Scouting America for much the same reason, and also to line up more with the naming customs of international Scouting organizations. They let girls in because between the Mormon exodus after they let gay scouts and scouters participate and the sexual abuse scandal, membership was way down. AFAIK that was in 2018 for cub scouts and a year later for Scouts BSA. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2025, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/15 "2025-11-25T20:22:39Z")
> [@bump](#): > > They let girls in because between the Mormon exodus after they let gay scouts and scouters participate and the sexual abuse scandal, membership was way down. Which is pretty much what I posted, yes. 🙂 I just had the timing wrong on the name change. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2025, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/16 "2025-11-25T20:27:07Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > It continues to amaze me the depths to which supposed strong men will go to avoid having to deal with women and girls. These “men” believe that males are so fragile that mere contact with females is destructive to their masculinity. To be fair, Hegseth is also threatened by manly men, who can grow better facial hair than him. He’s an equal-opportunity coward. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2025, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/17 "2025-11-25T20:34:23Z")
> [@bump](#): > > They let girls in because between the Mormon exodus after they let gay scouts and scouters participate and the sexual abuse scandal, membership was way down. They’re slowly becoming less regressive. First they stop demonizing homosexuality, then they let girls participate, and the result is the departure of highly regressive groups. We’re better off without them. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2025, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/18 "2025-11-25T20:44:32Z")
Oh, I wasn’t judging, just pointing out the impetus. What’s so idiotic about Hegseth’s plan is that scouts and Eagle scouts are hugely overrepresented in the service academy cadets (something like half were scouts and 10-20% were Eagle scouts). It’s a great program, and it’s really unfortunate that Hegseth’s only consideration is the political ideology involved. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2025, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/19 "2025-11-25T20:54:04Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > And that’s precisely what Republicans cannot stand. > > They do not want Americans to have choice in any aspect of their lives - personal or public. NO CHOICE. DO AS I SAY. This sums up their philosophy. But, _but_, **but** , **BUT** , I thought they were all _libertarians_, for whom personal freedom is the **highest** ideal in the land?! 🤔 Anyway, thread no good without this pic: [![](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51GRQx+d7yL._SY300_SX300_QL70_ML2_.jpg) ](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51GRQx+d7yL._SY300_SX300_QL70_ML2_.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2025, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/20 "2025-11-25T21:05:41Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > But, _but_, **but** , **BUT** , I thought they were all _libertarians_, No, they fucking HATE libertarians. Splitters! [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124.md?page=2)