# The He-Man Woman Hater's Club
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [November 25, 2025, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124 "2025-11-25T16:59:10Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 2
### Author:  [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)
#### Post date: [November 25, 2025, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/21 "2025-11-25T21:13:04Z")
> [@bump](#):
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> My sons’ troop is boys-only and there aren’t any plans to change. What we’ve been doing is working and everyone is happy with it.
As is mine (just got recruited in as the new Scoutmaster, actually). This latest nonsense will not go over well with the old crotchety Scouters I’m familiar with. They are largely conservative, right-wing types. But they love Scouting, and don’t care too much about girls being in. And they _really_ love the military.
I wonder if this is just a trial balloon. I haven’t seen a single person on defend this policy change.
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### Author:  [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)
#### Post date: [November 25, 2025, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/22 "2025-11-25T21:14:54Z")
> [@Jas09](#):
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> just got recruited in as the new Scoutmaster, actually
Welcome to the club!
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### Author:  [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)
#### Post date: [November 25, 2025, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/23 "2025-11-25T21:15:51Z")
I vaguely understand performative masculinity
But how the ever-living fuck can one person be so confidently bad at both “performative” and “masculinity” simultaneously?
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### Author:  [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)
#### Post date: [November 25, 2025, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/24 "2025-11-25T21:51:15Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#):
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> And, for decades, the Boy Scouts offered popcorn & nuts.
When I was in Scouting (1957 to 1962) we sold light bulbs. Door to door. Wasn’t that fun.
We also did Christmas trees in the season, much more profitable, but we couldn’t afford good security and one season all the stock was stolen at night. I don’t think we did trees again after that.
As to the topic of this thread, this business is so pathetic it makes me ashamed somehow. These people are in a position to speak for the country, but what they say is childish, silly and trivial. People in other countries have a low enough opinion of this country already, now I can’t imagine what they think now (and don’t want to be told, thanks very much).
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### Author:  [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)
#### Post date: [November 25, 2025, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/25 "2025-11-25T22:03:02Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#):
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> No, they fucking HATE libertarians.
Libertarians are too prone to advocacy for freedoms for _everyone_.
Good right-wingers know that’s wrong. The correct position: _ **freedom for me but not for thee** _.
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### Author:  [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)
#### Post date: [November 25, 2025, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/26 "2025-11-25T22:09:06Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#):
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> > [@Skywatcher](#):
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> > And, for decades, the Boy Scouts offered popcorn & nuts.
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> When I was in Scouting (1957 to 1962) we sold light bulbs. Door to door. Wasn’t that fun.
Likewise for the popcorn. 🙂
I joined around the time Trail’s End was launched and have a vague memory of trying to sell the stuff door to door.
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### Author:  [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)
#### Post date: [November 25, 2025, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/27 "2025-11-25T22:09:52Z")
It was really good popcorn, though.
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### Author:  [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)
#### Post date: [November 25, 2025, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/28 "2025-11-25T22:13:26Z")
We offered the customer white or yellow popcorn, and were given training based on the philosophy of Elmer “don’t sell the steak: sell the sizzle” Wheeler.
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### Author:  [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)
#### Post date: [November 25, 2025, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/29 "2025-11-25T22:32:55Z")
The ‘scout masters’ at the troop my kid attended seemed nice enough, put on a good show. “Ken” (not his real name) was quite the groomer. He kept trying to take my son to Newfoundland, Canada to go camping with him.
Alone.
I thought that I must be wrong; he was married and had kids. That said I wasn’t wrong… and that his wife didn’t object was very Ghislane of her. I always thought that it was weird that he brought his daughter to all the meetings and that she never put on any uniform or tried to earn any merit badges even though it was family scouting. She’d just drift around from table to table, sniffing at the boys like they were fresh meat.
Finally my kid got tired of Scouting too & moved on (thank Chulthu. When he went camping with the ‘entire troop’, he always came home with at least $100 of his camping gear missing. They should have called it ‘Troop Grifter’.)
As for the girl, I wonder where she got the idea that sniffing and hovering around the Scouts trying to earn merit badges when she had no legitimate reason to be hovering around them was acceptable but then it hit me: she learned it from her Dad.
“Pedos in The Scouts? Oh, you must be mistaken.” /s
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### Author:  [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)
#### Post date: [November 25, 2025, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/30 "2025-11-25T23:13:43Z")
I wasn’t aware the military was tied in with the Scouting thing. All I knew is, one Saturday we went on trash pickup detail and brought all that was collected to a soldier who was presumably going to truck it away to wherever it goes. I wondered if there was any more cooperation between the service and the Scouting thing, but never cared enough to find out. That Saturday was just an ad hoc event.
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### Author:  [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)
#### Post date: [November 25, 2025, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/31 "2025-11-25T23:29:51Z")
> [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](#):
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> He kept trying to take my son to Newfoundland, Canada to go camping with him.
“Kept trying”? As in, more than once? As in, you didn’t get your son far away from him at the first incident, and report him to the authorities?
What does this say about your parenting?
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### Author:  [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)
#### Post date: [November 25, 2025, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/32 "2025-11-25T23:32:06Z")
As a sister in green emerita, when I heard about the Boy Scouts’ exclusion of known LGBTQ+ people, I wondered what the Girl Scouts’ stance was on that. The answer? They don’t have one. They do have a rule that unless an event is explicitly females-only, males may attend as long as there is at least one adult woman on site.
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### Author:  [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)
#### Post date: [November 25, 2025, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/33 "2025-11-25T23:33:20Z")
Is Mr. Kegbreath aware that alcohol does a real number on testosterone levels?
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### Author:  [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)
#### Post date: [November 25, 2025, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/34 "2025-11-25T23:37:43Z")
Yeesht. How old was the daughter?!?
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### Author:  [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2025, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/35 "2025-11-26T02:02:01Z")
Not really tied in, per se.
More along the lines of friendly and supportive. For example, it’s pretty common for Texas troops to visit Fort Hood/Cavazos and get to see and do some pretty neat stuff with the Army units there.
Or if you’re going somewhere and there’s a military base nearby, they’ll often allow your troop to stay on base for free.
Directly, they provide a bunch of support for the National Jamboree in W. Virginia every four years and for a while it was held at Fort AP Hill in VA. It’s a win-win for both organizations - the military gets experience organizing and managing huge tent cities and the scouts get something more or less professionally run.
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### Author:  [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2025, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/36 "2025-11-26T02:05:14Z")
> [@bump](#):
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> It’s a win-win for both organizations - the military gets experience organizing
And it’s probably also a boon in recruiting, to be friendly with a group of boys approaching enlistment age.
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### Author:  [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2025, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/37 "2025-11-26T02:28:31Z")
I would say probably a half dozen of the guys I knew were looking for an appointment to the Air Force Academy and had an Eagle badge. At least a couple of them got one. A couple others are still military–again, I think all Air Force–25 years later.
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### Author:  [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2025, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/38 "2025-11-26T02:43:12Z")
> [@asterion](#):
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> I would say probably a half dozen of the guys I knew were looking for an appointment to the Air Force Academy and had an Eagle badge. At least a couple of them got one.
A friend of mine (though one I met well after the fact) was an Eagle Scout, and got an appointment to the Air Force Academy.
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### Author:  [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2025, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/39 "2025-11-26T03:14:27Z")
[If you’re an Eagle Scout and enlist, you get an automatic promotion to Private First Class straight out of boot camp.](https://recruiting.army.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2141843/some-new-soldiers-can-now-qualify-for-higher-rank-more-pay/) Which is kind of a big deal- you’re starting your career automatically two grades higher than most others.
ISTR that some absurd percentage of officers were Scouts at one time or another as well.
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### Author:  [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2025, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-he-man-woman-haters-club/1025124/40 "2025-11-26T03:16:04Z")
I’m being vague, mostly because it’s been 25 years and I honestly don’t remember, if I ever really knew. But it was always very clear that an Eagle would get some preference whether it was trying to get into one of the academies or even just enlisting. I wouldn’t say mine necessarily helped my college applications but I’m sure it didn’t hurt. And honestly if I was somehow on a college admissions board these days, I’d look more favorably on years of dedicated Scouting (Eagle or not) with maybe one other activity than these massively over scheduled resume builders you hear of today.
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