# The Hearthstone Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 28, 2014, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172 "2014-04-28T07:42:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 124
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2017, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/2462 "2017-12-20T17:39:44Z")
> [@crazyjoe](#): > > I frequent that subreddit and there has been a lot of complaining about it…but mostly not whole threads dedicated to it. > > I mean, this is a game with Molten Reflection (had problems dealing with one Ragnaros? well, for just 4 mana (or less!) I have created ANOTHER ONE!), Ultimate Infestation, Bonemare, Scalebane…the power creep is insane. I was thrilled to get to rank 12 last month, I probably won’t break 15 this month given that the only decks I have are pre-KnC Big Priest, Treachery Warlock (I thought that would be more fun than it is), and no-minion hunter. It’s just not that powerful of a card compared with the rest of the meta. 5/5 for 0 sounds great, but when people are using Barnes to summon Y’Shaarj which pulls the real Y’Shaarj, then it doesn’t look so good. As an example, I just played a game where a Warlock had a Void Lord on the board, and then played Spirit Singer Umbra and a Carniverous Cube. That got him an additional two Voidlords and the Cube had a summon two Voidlords death rattle. On my side, I used Mind Control to steal that Cube (which lead to 2 Voidlords), had my own Voidlord from a Faceless Manipulator, and had my my Spiteful Summoner highroll into Deathwing, Dragonlord. Oh yeah, and my Bone Drake highrolled into Deathwing. After he used a twisting nether to clear the board, it pulled Deathwing from my hand and a couple other dragons, and I won on the next turn. In a game like that, dropping a 5/5 for 0 hardly makes a difference. In the tier 1 list, only one deck uses Corridor Creeper. ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2017, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/2463 "2017-12-20T18:23:31Z")
> [@crazyjoe](#): > > I frequent that subreddit and there has been a lot of complaining about it…but mostly not whole threads dedicated to it. > > I mean, this is a game with Molten Reflection (had problems dealing with one Ragnaros? well, for just 4 mana (or less!) I have created ANOTHER ONE!), Ultimate Infestation, Bonemare, Scalebane…the power creep is insane. I was thrilled to get to rank 12 last month, I probably won’t break 15 this month given that the only decks I have are pre-KnC Big Priest, Treachery Warlock (I thought that would be more fun than it is), and no-minion hunter. It’s just not that powerful of a card compared with the rest of the meta. 5/5 for 0 sounds great, but when people are using Barnes to summon Y’Shaarj which pulls the real Y’Shaarj, then it doesn’t look so good. As an example, I just played a game where a Warlock had a Void Lord on the board, and then played Spirit Singer Umbra and a Carniverous Cube. That got him an additional two Voidlords and the Cube had a summon two Voidlords death rattle. On my side, I used Mind Control to steal that Cube (which lead to 2 Voidlords), had my own Voidlord from a Faceless Manipulator, and had my my Spiteful Summoner highroll into Deathwing, Dragonlord. Oh yeah, and my Bone Drake highrolled into Deathwing. After he used a twisting nether to clear the board, it pulled Deathwing from my hand and a couple other dragons, and I won on the next turn. In a game like that, dropping a 5/5 for 0 hardly makes a difference. In the tier 1 list, only one deck uses Corridor Creeper. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2017, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/2464 "2017-12-20T19:39:48Z")
> [@treis](#): > > It’s just not that powerful of a card compared with the rest of the meta. 5/5 for 0 sounds great, but when people are using Barnes to summon Y’Shaarj which pulls the real Y’Shaarj, then it doesn’t look so good. As an example, I just played a game where a Warlock had a Void Lord on the board, and then played Spirit Singer Umbra and a Carniverous Cube. That got him an additional two Voidlords and the Cube had a summon two Voidlords death rattle. On my side, I used Mind Control to steal that Cube (which lead to 2 Voidlords), had my own Voidlord from a Faceless Manipulator, and had my my Spiteful Summoner highroll into Deathwing, Dragonlord. Oh yeah, and my Bone Drake highrolled into Deathwing. After he used a twisting nether to clear the board, it pulled Deathwing from my hand and a couple other dragons, and I won on the next turn. In a game like that, dropping a 5/5 for 0 hardly makes a difference. > > In the tier 1 list, only one deck uses Corridor Creeper. Why am I suddenly getting shades of Yu-Gi-Oh? Would secret Paladin even be viable any more? ---
**Author:** ![crazyjoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f14d63/32.png) [@crazyjoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crazyjoe)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2017, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/2465 "2017-12-20T21:17:37Z")
Oh hell no. Secret Paladin would get crushed. ---
**Author:** ![Tabby\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tabby\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tabby_Cat)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2017, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/2466 "2017-12-21T00:52:16Z")
I mean, it’s easy to talk about end game high mana combos like that, but creeper on turn 3 wins just as many, if not more games than carnivorous cube shenanigans on turn 9. The best tempo lists will surely have it, and then it’ll just depend on whether the meta is conducive enough to have a tempo/aggro deck be good in the meta, or if we’re headed for a control/combo meta. There’s never been a control/combo meta. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/2467 "2018-01-05T15:47:00Z")
So I have a bunch of Warlock quests, so I decided, “Okay, let’s check out that Cubelock deck”. Then I looked at what I needed. Now, I have a _pretty_ sizeable collection. But I was missing _10 cards_, all of them legendary or epic. The deck runs four legendaries, of which exactly one is good for basically any other deck (the death knight). Looking at the top decks on Tempostorm, the lists have insane prices. 12k dust for Razakus priest. 10k dust for Cubelock. 7.7k dust for _aggro paladin_ (remember when you could make a decent face hunter deck for under a thousand?)… Tempor rogue is nearly 10k, and Murloc Paladin is relatively cheap at just under 7k dust. The first deck on the list is Spiteful Dragon Priest, which costs 3.2k dust. Still pricy, just not _completely insane_. This is getting crazy. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/2468 "2018-01-05T16:35:05Z")
Wallet Warrior would feel pretty average if not a bit cheap these days. Surprised to see the meta cube lock deck doesn’t use N’zoth. Just not enough deathrattles to be worth it? But if you’re resummoning the voidwhatever a bunch, couldn’t you get like 4+ of them with an n’zoth? Seems like it’d be worth a slot. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2018, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/2469 "2018-01-10T11:44:02Z")
An unexpected pyroblast ends a surprisingly high percentage of arena games. Just had my first 8 win run in what must be 30 or 40 games. Had a bunch of 6 win runs but nothing higher in a long time. Just blew my pity timer (somewhere around 30-35 packs) on Sonya Shadowdancer, a rogue legendary for a class I almost never play. Seems good though. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2018, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/2470 "2018-01-10T18:25:03Z")
I finally won dungeon runs for all 9 classes. It’s pretty fun to steamroller over the PvE bosses using cheesy builds they have no counter for, until you run into a boss who steamrollers you using a cheesy build you have no counter for. ---
**Author:** ![aktep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f0a364/32.png) [@aktep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aktep)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2018, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/2471 "2018-01-10T19:35:05Z")
Yeah my most recent dungeon run, i was rolling through everyone right up until I hit the boss that has the HP to do +1/+1 to all his cheap minions and the board was snowballed on me before i could could even play a card from my hand ☹ ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/2472 "2018-01-16T21:23:01Z")
I’m trying out a tempo rogue deck. My cards were: Prince Keleseth, shadowstep, backstab, backstab, Sonya Shadowdancer Played shadowdancer. Next turn played Keleseth, shadowstep, Keleseth again, then I backstabbed him, which gave me a 1 mana 1/1 Keleseth, played that, then backstabbed him again, played him again. Oh if only I had another shadowstep. Instant concede. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/2473 "2018-01-16T22:40:44Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I’m trying out a tempo rogue deck. My cards were: > > Prince Keleseth, shadowstep, backstab, backstab, Sonya Shadowdancer > > Played shadowdancer. Next turn played Keleseth, shadowstep, Keleseth again, then I backstabbed him, which gave me a 1 mana 1/1 Keleseth, played that, then backstabbed him again, played him again. Oh if only I had another shadowstep. Instant concede. “That’s the biggest free 1/1 I’ve ever seen!” ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/2474 "2018-01-23T12:05:14Z")
So after a few dozen games of tempo rogue, I have mathematically determined the chance of being able to play Keleseth before turn 8 or so, you know, when it matters, is roughly 4%. ---
**Author:** ![Wilson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@Wilson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wilson)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/2475 "2018-01-23T21:24:18Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > So after a few dozen games of tempo rogue, I have mathematically determined the chance of being able to play Keleseth before turn 8 or so, you know, when it matters, is roughly 4%. Except for your opponent - then it’s 94%. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/2476 "2018-01-26T16:05:14Z")
They’re changing the ranked system away from complete monthly resets - still will be some but significantly less re-grind - scattered info [here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/7sxzp0/designer_insights_upcoming_ranked_play_updates/). Instead of being reset, I guess you drop 4 ranks, but each rank has 5 stars now. Sounds like less monthly re-grind. ---
**Author:** ![Wilson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@Wilson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wilson)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/2477 "2018-01-28T04:49:48Z")
Huh. Just got (Golden!) Edwin vanCleef and Baron Gedden from the same pack. Both legendaries I don’t have. Thank you RNG. Leaves four classic cards I don’t have - Onyxia, Deathwing, King Mukla and Far Sight. None of which I’m eager to craft. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/2478 "2018-01-29T08:03:58Z")
> [@Wilson](#): > > Huh. Just got (Golden!) Edwin vanCleef and Baron Gedden from the same pack. Both legendaries I don’t have. > Thank you RNG. > > Leaves four classic cards I don’t have - Onyxia, Deathwing, King Mukla and Far Sight. None of which I’m eager to craft. Deathwing is thoroughly playable in Big Druid. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/2479 "2018-01-29T15:31:50Z")
I’m likely a bit late to the discussion, but is it just me or is that Bloodreaver Gul’dan card a killer. I haven’t played a single Warlock deck that doesn’t have it (of the ones I’ve seen). It not only has N’Zoth’s power, but it also creates a new hero power that more than overcomes any deficit that it’s original power created, so there is no penalty at all to drawing cards. And the new hero power can be an amazing +/- 6 swing in health on every turn. I’ve played against Mage decks without Jaina, I’ve played against Hunter decks without Rexxar, Priests without Anduin. But Gul’dan is something else. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/2480 "2018-01-29T20:46:55Z")
[Balance changes](https://playhearthstone.com/en-us/blog/21361570/) Pretty huge. Bonemare 8 mana. Corridor Creeper becomes 2/5. Patches loses charge. Raza reduces hero power cost to 1. ---
**Author:** ![aktep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f0a364/32.png) [@aktep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aktep)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/2481 "2018-01-29T21:40:57Z")
Which legendary to craft with my Patches dust then? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172.md?page=123) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172.md?page=125)