# The Hearthstone Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 28, 2014, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172 "2014-04-28T07:42:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 53
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2015, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/1041 "2015-11-11T15:24:40Z")
> [@Tabby\_Cat](#): > > This is the list I run whenever I get a Druid daily and just want to bang it out. Fairly standard list, of course you tech in and out of whatever you’re facing. More aggro, tech in the aggro killers. More control, tech in the control killers. > > As a general rule, tempo against aggro decks, and value against control decks. This means that if you’re facing a hunter, for instance, keep innervate and darnassus aspirant and throw back wild growth. If you’re facing warrior, keep wild growth. Anti-aggro cards are living roots, keeper, chow, senjin. Anti control cards are WG and Piloted Shredder. But mostly just hard mulligan for wild growth. I don’t see a link to the list. But I’m tweaking Trump’s ramp druid (I don’t have any aspirants yet, I’ll craft them in a bit), and I am enjoy it. I really like its flexibility against different types of decks, and it is fun playing. So far so good. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2015, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/1042 "2015-11-11T22:45:32Z")
I got a golden The Beast from my brawl pack. Which means I can now craft 2 legendaries. And I’m still not sure which way to go. I’ve been leaning harder towards ysera because that can work in my dragon priest, control priest, and eventually control warrior deck. But some other ones are tempting. Or I could use both cards to make control warrior viable in one go. ---
**Author:** ![Tabby\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tabby\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tabby_Cat)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2015, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/1043 "2015-11-12T00:25:22Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > I don’t see a link to the list. But I’m tweaking Trump’s ramp druid (I don’t have any aspirants yet, I’ll craft them in a bit), and I am enjoy it. I really like its flexibility against different types of decks, and it is fun playing. So far so good. Whoops. Here it is, but any ramp list will look pretty similar. [http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/365393-taunt-ramp](http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/365393-taunt-ramp) ---
**Author:** ![Tabby\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tabby\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tabby_Cat)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2015, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/1044 "2015-11-12T00:27:30Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I got a golden The Beast from my brawl pack. Which means I can now craft 2 legendaries. And I’m still not sure which way to go. I’ve been leaning harder towards ysera because that can work in my dragon priest, control priest, and eventually control warrior deck. But some other ones are tempting. > > Or I could use both cards to make control warrior viable in one go. Ysera isn’t a bad choice, it’s at least viable in most control decks. Why not try dragon warrior to see if you like the style? I could never get into control warrior myself, it would suck for you to craft grommash and then not like to play CW. What cards are you missing? CW is actually quite flexible on the legendaries side of it. Frankly, I don’t even think Grommash is much played recently, I haven’t seen one in ages. ---
**Author:** ![Tabby\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tabby\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tabby_Cat)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/1045 "2015-11-13T07:08:30Z")
So I caved and got the adventure, and I have to say, for single player content, it is rather nice. Much more fun than Naxx and BRM, I think. Frankly though, I think the cards are rather underwhelming, and so far Mrrgleton, Torch and maybe Museum Curator (2 mana 1/2 discover a deathrattle card) seem interesting. Maybe tempo Rogue will finally be a thing again? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/1046 "2015-11-13T07:51:19Z")
I like the discover mechanic - I didn’t really read the previews & thought it was just a card at random, but the fact that it’s a choice of three cards makes it so much better. The fact that you’re getting 2 cards per boss makes it seem more worth the gold outlay. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/1047 "2015-11-14T23:40:11Z")
Who’s going to build a Reno Jackson deck? What class does that work best with? Would be crazy with a handlock I suppose. Seems like a viable way to play - the duplication penalty can be worked around. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/1048 "2015-11-14T23:52:45Z")
> [@Tabby\_Cat](#): > > I’ve finally made a deck that’s rekindled my interest in the game - presenting, [“The burn shall burn you”](http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/362949-the-burn-shall-burn-you) > > Basically, an aggro priest with shadowbombers and Spawn of Shadows. For all the noise I make about playing control decks, my most successful home brews look more like aggro decks. Again, it’s an intense tempo deck that keeps the board clear until then 4-5, then go face and burn with mindblasts and spawn of shadows and shadowbombers. > > The burn shall burn you! Just put this one together - pretty fun. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2015, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/1049 "2015-11-15T00:47:33Z")
I feel dirty. In a fit of annoyance, after facing endless secret Paladin decks, I decided to give them a taste of their own medicine and become one. I crafted Tirion anyway, figuring I’d be using that for any Paladin, and I ended up spending another 800 dust to craft a mysterious challenger and a quartermaster. But only having one challenger makes it unreliable to actually have one available on turn 6, so I’m wondering if I should throw another 400 dust at making another one. At least if they nerf them I’ll be able to get all the dust back. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2015, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/1050 "2015-11-15T07:18:38Z")
Oh, Reno Freeze Mage. I didn’t even think about that. Think about how incredibly annoying that would be after your immune to death secret goes off and you heal to full. I may buy the expansion just for that. ---
**Author:** ![Tabby\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tabby\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tabby_Cat)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/1051 "2015-11-16T06:04:27Z")
Eh. It’s not as fun if you don’t use a deck tracker. I’m actually thinking of making a grinder mage with 30 singletons, and see how that goes. I play on ipad, I literally can’t use a deck tracker. ---
**Author:** ![Tabby\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tabby\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tabby_Cat)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/1052 "2015-11-16T06:06:41Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Just put this one together - pretty fun. The best part is when you play the Spawn of Shadows and they mouse over the thing in confusion. “What is this card? I’ve never seen it before! What the…?!” and then you double Shadowbomber them for lethal. Also, don’t forget to emote “The Light Shall Burn You!” before lethal. Very important and most fun part of the deck. Sadly though, real talk, I’m bouncing around rank 12-14 with it, and I don’t think it can go much further. The thought occurs to me that I’m just playing a worse face hunter, what’s the point? And without Mad Scientist value and weapon face value, it’s actually really hard to make an aggro deck… ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/1053 "2015-11-16T13:48:54Z")
I got Reno Jacksoned by a handlock in ladder. Which is funny. I then used the twisting nether from my nefarion card steal to clear his board. Weird match. I didn’t even think about it, but Reno will be super powerful in arena where you’re unlikely to have many duplicate cards, but of course you’ll rarely get to pick him. What programs do card tracking? Is it like a HUD that monitors your game and gives you live feedback? Are there programs like that that give detailed stats like win rate per deck? Are they considered legal by Blizzard? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/1054 "2015-11-16T14:00:10Z")
Oh dear god I just got Reno Jacksoned again. I had a handlock at 1 hp and he had 2 cards left. I had been holding Alex in reserve since I didn’t want to boost his HP, so I was able to knock 15 off that next turn and I was in good shape. Except… his other card was Jaraxxus. Ouch. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Lurker\_Above](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dc4da7/32.png) [@The\_Lurker\_Above](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Lurker_Above)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/1055 "2015-11-16T15:13:07Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > What programs do card tracking? Is it like a HUD that monitors your game and gives you live feedback? Are there programs like that that give detailed stats like win rate per deck? Are they considered legal by Blizzard? I use [Hearthstone Deck Tracker](https://github.com/Epix37/Hearthstone-Deck-Tracker), undoubtedly there are others out there. It’s an overlay that shows what cards my opponent has played (and what turn he drew each card in his hand), and what cards are left in my deck. It does keep track of the stats and you can review them later. It’s totally legal, as per Blizzard. It reads the logfile Hearthstone generates and ‘only’ does things that you could do manually with pen & paper. Though of course it’s much, much easier than tracking it all manually. The best in-game use for it that I’ve found is figuring out how much reach I can still draw/my opponent could still have. The stats let me know what classes I’m having trouble with so I can work on improving that matchup. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/1056 "2015-11-16T19:39:02Z")
Thanks. I just got killed by a savage roar druid with 29 hp. He had a 5, 4, and 2 attack minion on board, cast savage roar twice and attacked with 9+8+6 minions and +5 attack himself. Actually, that adds up to 28. I’m not sure where the 1 extra damage came from. In any case, dying in one turn with 29 health is deeply unsatisfying. ---
**Author:** ![Deser2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dfb087/32.png) [@Deser2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deser2)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/1057 "2015-11-17T15:10:04Z")
Extra 1 damage was him using his hero power to add 1 to the Savage Roar damage. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/1058 "2015-11-17T15:25:12Z")
At the end of the day, that’s one of the things that turned me off to the game. It’s past turn six and you’re letting a druid keep minions on the board? Well, learn to play better I guess. The “win cindition” decks are frustrating to play against because sometimes you just don’t have a way to play around them even if you see the combos coming. ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/1059 "2015-11-17T17:43:57Z")
I had an interesting couple of matches the last time I played. I was playing my rogue fatigue deck to knock out some rogue wins for my daily. I don’t track how well I do with that deck, but it’s probably about 50/50 or a shade worse. I like playing it, but it’s not terribly effective. Rogue fatigue may be what JB is characterizing as a “win condition” deck because it doesn’t win the traditional way but rather by causing the opponent to run out of cards and lose by taking fatigue damage. And that’s where everything went … odd. My first match was against an aggro Paladin murloc deck. It was pretty obvious that’s what he was running from turn two. Aggro counters fatigue, so I couldn’t play anything the way I normally would with my deck. Instead, I managed to grind him down with shadowstepping deathlords and my daggers while his murlocs couldn’t get past the taunting lords and were kept in check by shiv/fan of knives/eviscerate. Game two was against a mage. I assume “control” when I see a mage, so i was ready to do my normal thing with fatigue rogue. That changed in mid-game, when they dropped a coldlight oracle and I realized I was playing a fatigue mage. This is the first time I’d seen fatigue mage, so it became a problem of assessing how that deck was going to work and to puzzle out how to counter it. In the end, it was a question of how to deal with iceblock. They had one up and I assumed they had one in their hand, so it was a question of killing them on their draw. While I played a very different game (e.g. gang-up only on the medbots, never my oracles), the finisher was the usual fatigue rogue finisher: coldlight oracle to make them draw fatal fatigue damage, trigger the iceblock, then they drew fatal fatigue damage to start their turn before they could drop the next iceblock. It was pretty fun to play a deck I was pretty familiar with in very different ways. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172/1060 "2015-11-17T19:48:46Z")
Lost in a new novel way: He (probably) knew I had mirror entity as my secret, and I had total board control, so he summoned a doomsayer, which was then mirrored and the mirror activated and cleared the board when it became my turn. I kind of want to try a frost or fatigue mage, particularly with Reno Jackson, but I’ve been spending a lot of dust on purples lately to try different decks. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172.md?page=52) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hearthstone-thread/687172.md?page=54)