# The Hillary Clinton Presidency of Doom **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 6, 2016, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hillary-clinton-presidency-of-doom/754035 "2016-05-06T00:01:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hillary-clinton-presidency-of-doom/754035/21 "2016-05-06T12:22:41Z")
That’s the best thing about electing Hillary Clinton: the chance of disaster is pretty much nil. She’s smart and cautious, which means probably nothing huge will happen that’s good, but it also means nothing bad is likely to happen other than the typical errors Presidents make. She’s a steady hand on the steering wheel. I trust her judgment more than Obama’s far more than Bush’s or Trump’s. The only real downside to a Clinton Presidency is the extracurricular drama. Some of that is caused by Republicans just dying to get her for something, but a lot of it is also self inflicted. WIth 2018 already looking like it’ll be 1994 on steroids due to the map, Republicans would love to repeat history and then some. Even if Democrats win the Senate in 2016, the Republicans have a good chance to head into 2019 with more seats than they do now. So they’ll be motivated to keep her approval ratings down. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hillary-clinton-presidency-of-doom/754035/22 "2016-05-06T12:40:30Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > She will preserve the status quo. Given the likely alternative (which is Trump destroying every last iota of the Obama recovery and the social advances we’ve made in the last 8 years), the status quo is preferable. At least if Hillary maintains the status quo, things will more or less still EXIST in 8 years. ---
**Author:** ![Borborygmi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/borborygmi/32/217_2.png) [@Borborygmi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Borborygmi)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hillary-clinton-presidency-of-doom/754035/23 "2016-05-06T12:42:53Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > It’s became a sing-song slogan: Hillary lied, people died, Benghazi! Everybody! ͡     ͡    ͡  ︠ [sup]:)[/sup] ♫ ♪   Hil - lar - y   lied,   peo - ple   died,   Ben - gha - zi!   ♪ ♫ ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hillary-clinton-presidency-of-doom/754035/24 "2016-05-06T13:12:09Z")
> [@Borborygmi](#): > > Everybody! > > ͡     ͡    ͡  ︠ [sup]:)[/sup] > ♫ ♪   Hil - lar - y   lied,   peo - ple   died,   Ben - gha - zi!   ♪ ♫ There has to be choreography to go along with this. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hillary-clinton-presidency-of-doom/754035/25 "2016-05-06T14:02:46Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > My biggest fear is that she seems to have not learnt any of the lessons from Iraq / Libya and will continue to start wars that just create power vacuums and make the world a more dangerous place. Putin is undeniably smarter than her when to comes to Global Geopolitics. Russia will keep benefiting from US mistakes, just like they’ve been for the last 15 years. Don’t see what great benefits Russia has snagged lately. They invaded Ukraine and got possession of a military base that was already theirs and incurred a bunch of sanctions. They propped up their man in Syria. Big whoop. Meanwhile their economy is in a death spiral. I’ll grant they may have tweaked America’s nose and got away with it, just don’t think it adds up to much worth worrying about. > [@PastTense](#): > > I see basically a third Obama term, with the exception of a substantial risk of increased foreign military intervention in the Middle East and perhaps elsewhere. That probably the most realistic concern. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hillary-clinton-presidency-of-doom/754035/26 "2016-05-06T14:12:52Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Don’t see what great benefits Russia has snagged lately. They invaded Ukraine and got possession of a military base that was already theirs and incurred a bunch of sanctions. They propped up their man in Syria. Big whoop. Meanwhile their economy is in a death spiral. The military campaigns have not benefited Russia, they have benefited _Putin_. His approval went from record lows (for him) to record highs during this span, despite the sanctions and economy. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hillary-clinton-presidency-of-doom/754035/27 "2016-05-06T14:25:36Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > And by the time you get to page two: > > [She might be the Antichrist!](http://conservativefiringline.com/hillary-clinton-evil/#) As I said in another thread, this one has already been done with Obama, to the point where a SIGNIFICANT portion of Republican voters think that Obama is the **literal** Antichrist. So they have to up the ante with Hillary. So where do you go from here? What’s worse than the **literal** Antichrist? At some point they run out of crazed hyperbole, don’t they? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hillary-clinton-presidency-of-doom/754035/28 "2016-05-06T14:35:47Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > The military campaigns have not benefited Russia, they have benefited _Putin_. His approval went from record lows (for him) to record highs during this span, despite the sanctions and economy. Yeah that certainly gave his popularity a shot in the arm. Not sure if they were record lows looking at the chart here: > **[Vladimir Putin’s unshakeable popularity](https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2016/02/04/vladimir-putins-unshakeable-popularity)** > > The Russian president's approval ratings refuse to budge But lowest in 15 years is fair. Still over 60% approval. Sheesh. Maybe Hillary should do some topless horseback riding. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hillary-clinton-presidency-of-doom/754035/29 "2016-05-06T14:44:09Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Yeah that certainly gave his popularity a shot in the arm. Not sure if they were record lows looking at the chart here: > [Vladimir Putin’s unshakeable popularity](http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/02/daily-chart-4) > But lowest in 15 years is fair. Still over 60% approval. Sheesh. Maybe Hillary should do some topless horseback riding. Somehow, I don’t think that would help. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hillary-clinton-presidency-of-doom/754035/30 "2016-05-06T14:45:20Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > Somehow, I don’t think that would help. 😉 Might give a shot in the arm to brain bleach sales. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hillary-clinton-presidency-of-doom/754035/31 "2016-05-06T15:31:21Z")
I think the Right may be on the fringe of becoming, ‘the boy who cried wolf’, with all the overblown, unending, ‘scandals’ of Hilary. They may recognize too late that they are handing her a big advantage, as America grows deaf to the din from their constant, fearful, outrage. When you think about it, what are the chances Hilary can ‘make nice’ enough to garner a second term? That positions her to recognize now is her time. Regardless to whom she is/was/seems/ought to be, beholden to, she perhaps needn’t be concerned with reelection. Isn’t it just possible political expediency could move her to burn some bridges as a result, to achieve her goals? I mean she never has to suck up to the money guys again, right? For these reasons I think Hilary could prove a more surprising and interesting president than people can currently imagine. If support for the primary doesn’t translate to support at the polls, and the Republicans crumble, there could be a shift in either house that could put a lot of control into the hands of a woman, who by all accounts, is a demanding, pushy, hardass. With no delusion of a second term. That’s an interesting combination, in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hillary-clinton-presidency-of-doom/754035/32 "2016-05-06T15:37:46Z")
I don’t get what you mean by “make nice enough to garner a second term”. I see no reason to assume she’s going to be one termer at this point. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hillary-clinton-presidency-of-doom/754035/33 "2016-05-06T15:41:30Z")
The odds are stacked WAY against her assuming no Republican implosion next time. Four straight terms for one party in the White House hasn’t happened in a very, very long time. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hillary-clinton-presidency-of-doom/754035/34 "2016-05-06T15:44:18Z")
I think she’s been aiming for political power for her whole career, and that she’s an achiever that will push her agenda hard. And she already rubs even her constituents the wrong way! I’m guessing once elected strident pursuit of her goals may make her less likeable still. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hillary-clinton-presidency-of-doom/754035/35 "2016-05-06T15:48:16Z")
elbows wasn’t taliing about some historical truth though. He specifically said Hillary couldn’t make nice so she’s unlikely to get a second term. And with the shifting demographics I wouldn’t rely on historical party in power flips too much. Eta: she doesn’t really have constituents right now so I am still confused what you mean elbows. Her favorability didn’t fluctuate that wildly when she was in the Senate. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hillary-clinton-presidency-of-doom/754035/36 "2016-05-06T15:57:08Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > I think she’s been aiming for political power for her whole career, and that she’s an achiever that will push her agenda hard. And she already rubs even her constituents the wrong way! I’m guessing once elected strident pursuit of her goals may make her less likeable still. Ya know, I actually think she’ll be fairly popular as a President, because I don’t think she has any particular things she cares about getting done, so much as getting the job and doing the job well. She’s always been a bit strident and annoying as a candidate, but you’ll notice that as an officeholder she actually gains popularity pretty quickly. It’s only candidate Clinton that people hate. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hillary-clinton-presidency-of-doom/754035/37 "2016-05-06T15:59:46Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Ya know, I actually think she’ll be fairly popular as a President, because I don’t think she has any particular things she cares about getting done, so much as getting the job and doing the job well. She’s always been a bit strident and annoying as a candidate, but you’ll notice that as an officeholder she actually gains popularity pretty quickly. It’s only candidate Clinton that people hate. We don’t often agree but I’m pretty much thinking the same thing. I’m okay with her not having grandiose expectations of what she will do or any great plans that she might have. Her function is to keep Trump out of the White House and keep the ship of state from hitting the shoals. Anything she does beyond that is a bonus. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hillary-clinton-presidency-of-doom/754035/38 "2016-05-06T16:01:42Z")
Well, what I’m hoping for as a conservative is that we’ll make nefarious deals with her to sell out various liberal interest groups.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hillary-clinton-presidency-of-doom/754035/39 "2016-05-06T16:01:51Z")
Worst case scenario with Hillary in the White House is that nothing worthy of significant mention will happen during her presidency. Hillary is the consummate bureaucrat, not a bold visionary. Her presidency will be much ado about nothing. Her legacy, if she’s lucky, will be that she prevented erosion of Obama’s accomplishments. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hillary-clinton-presidency-of-doom/754035/40 "2016-05-06T16:54:20Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Worst case scenario with Hillary in the White House is that nothing worthy of significant mention will happen during her presidency. Hillary is the consummate bureaucrat, not a bold visionary. Her presidency will be much ado about nothing. Her legacy, if she’s lucky, will be that she prevented erosion of Obama’s accomplishments. Yeah it will basically be like the Bill Clinton presidency but without the sex scandals, and with (if one can believe it) an even more antagonistic opposition. So maybe half way between the Bill Clinton and the Obama presidencies. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hillary-clinton-presidency-of-doom/754035.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hillary-clinton-presidency-of-doom/754035.md?page=3)