# The Hobbit (Part 1) Extended Edition **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 31, 2013, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hobbit-part-1-extended-edition/672799 "2013-10-31T23:44:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2013, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hobbit-part-1-extended-edition/672799/21 "2013-11-01T19:32:43Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > Where did you get that? I’ve been told on very good authority that that scent comes later and involves (of course) Legolas. That’s from the “You smelt it, you dealt it” edition. It was one of the dwarves who smelt it, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2013, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hobbit-part-1-extended-edition/672799/22 "2013-11-01T19:48:51Z")
I also heard they’re going to be putting out a fourth movie, entitled “The Hobbit: The Credits”. They should be able to trim it down to a tight 120 minutes. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2013, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hobbit-part-1-extended-edition/672799/23 "2013-11-01T19:50:47Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Do we actually get to see the bird shit hit Radagast’s head? Yes. He stops, looks up at it, touches it, rubs it between his fingers, then tastes it with a thoughtful look on his face. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2013, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hobbit-part-1-extended-edition/672799/24 "2013-11-01T21:23:12Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Do we actually get to see the bird shit hit Radagast’s head? Eventually. But first there’s a hour of tracing the bird’s genealogy back through twenty generations. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2013, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hobbit-part-1-extended-edition/672799/25 "2013-11-01T23:19:53Z")
If this comes out tomorrow, why haven’t I been forced to sit through umpteen million commercials for it? Not that I plan to buy it. I already bought the theatrical cut because I’d missed it in theaters, so will probably wait a few years until they put out a EE set of all the Hobbit movies. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2013, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hobbit-part-1-extended-edition/672799/26 "2013-11-01T23:25:16Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > If this comes out tomorrow, why haven’t I been forced to sit through umpteen million commercials for it? Because they don’t need to advertise. That’s what had me scared about _Ender’s Game_. A gazillion TV ads implies they think it might bomb. With Jackson and _The Hobbit_, their audience is already waiting eagerly. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2013, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hobbit-part-1-extended-edition/672799/27 "2013-11-02T00:22:41Z")
Downloading it now. ---
**Author:** ![sohvan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/96bed5/32.png) [@sohvan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sohvan)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2013, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hobbit-part-1-extended-edition/672799/28 "2013-11-02T11:55:45Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Yes. He stops, looks up at it, touches it, rubs it between his fingers, then tastes it with a thoughtful look on his face. You forgot the part where he says “tastes like chicken.” ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2013, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hobbit-part-1-extended-edition/672799/29 "2013-11-02T14:46:57Z")
Well, the movie itself was only about 6gb in HD. The iTunes extras were 16.7gb. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2013, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hobbit-part-1-extended-edition/672799/30 "2013-11-02T16:16:23Z")
I like the extended cut more than the original, especially the significantly extended Rivendell section of the movie. It feels more balanced in this cut and see more of the dwarves there. The prologue feels better with the extra stuff as well, including the scene of more Dwarf and Elf tension. I didn’t love the extra song, though. The Goblin King’s “down down down” song should have remained cut. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2013, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hobbit-part-1-extended-edition/672799/31 "2013-11-02T23:00:20Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Because they don’t need to advertise. That’s what had me scared about _Ender’s Game_. A gazillion TV ads implies they think it might bomb. With Jackson and _The Hobbit_, their audience is already waiting eagerly. Since when does need enter into whether or not to advertise? I certainly saw a trillion commercials when the non EE discs were coming out, or when any other non obscure movie comes out. Same with any big budget hollywood movie coming out. If anything lack of advertising for Enders Game would have been a warning sign had that been the case. All movies get a buttload of advertising unless they’re low budget or indy or something like that. Do you even have a TV? I only ask because I can’t see how you’d miss all this advertising unless you were one of those people that have gone to only watching shows online. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2013, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hobbit-part-1-extended-edition/672799/32 "2013-11-02T23:18:28Z")
Saving the movie for my bus ride(s), but going through the extras. Have only watched two bits so far. About a 48 minute film going over the pre-production stuff and ending with the Maori welcoming ceremony on the first day of shooting. Another vid on how they had picked Martin Freeman as Bilbo and then had all manner of issues keeping him given the timing of filming and how it kept getting pushed out. Lots more to go. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2013, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hobbit-part-1-extended-edition/672799/33 "2013-11-03T01:13:06Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I didn’t love the extra song, though. The Goblin King’s “down down down” song should have remained cut. Tell me you’re not serious. A _song_? From the RB Hobbit no less? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2013, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hobbit-part-1-extended-edition/672799/34 "2013-11-03T02:19:52Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > Tell me you’re not serious. A _song_? From the RB Hobbit no less? RB??? But yes, I’m serious. There is an additional song, in addition to the ones in the opening of the movie. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2013, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hobbit-part-1-extended-edition/672799/35 "2013-11-03T03:33:27Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > RB??? [Rankin Bass](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPkqjc23yqs#t=38) (starts at 44 seconds). ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hobbit-part-1-extended-edition/672799/36 "2014-01-07T15:09:25Z")
NOTE: Zombie-esque, from a few months ago. “Down, down to Goblin town” is from Tolkien. I just got the extended edition. I have to say that I like it better than the theatrical release, by a long shot. (I don’t think these are “spoilers” in any sense of the word.) - The extended edition has more of Bilbo and his reactions, both in Hobbiton and in Rivendell. One of my disappointments with the released movie was that it couldn’t make up its mind whether it was about Bilbo or was a prequel to the LOTR. The extended edition is clearly about the Hobbit, with the LOTR stuff extra. My other major objection was that the battle scenes with orcs were interminable. There are three fixes: - The theatrical release intercut between Bilbo/Gollum and the dwarf/goblin-town battle. This made the battle seem interminable. The extended edition keeps the entire Riddles in the Dark sequence together, no intercutting with the battle upstairs. That makes the battle seem shorter (I don’t know whether they may have reduced battle scene time.) - There are some goblin-town added scenes (interacting with Goblin King, not battle) that make the whole tone of goblin-town comedic. I think this is a big improvement; the theatrical release seemed to treat it as yet another action scene. In the extended edition, there’s lots of slapstick, comic song by Goblin-King, etc. The battle itself then feels shorter. Not by enough, but it helps. - By having more material, the battles take up less of a percentage of time. I don’t know whether PJ actually shorterned the battle scenes, or whether they just “feel” shorter because there’s more movie around them, but they felt better. The stone giant scene (which seemed forever in the theatre) seemed shorter in the EE. I don’t know if it was really cut or it I was just more tolerant sitting in my own comfy chair sipping tea than I was in a theatre.) Finally, there’s more information about elf/dwarf hostility, more information at White Council meeting at Rivendell (about dwarf rings.) On the whole, I think the extended edition saved the movie for me. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hobbit-part-1-extended-edition/672799/37 "2014-01-07T15:35:56Z")
Definitely improved it for me - though I have one question for others with better memories. In the EE Thranduil goes to see Thror and is…denied?..a necklace of diamonds. In the DoS Thranduil states the dwarf hoard contains white gems that are his. So was the original necklace scene in the theatrical release? The narration of the necklace scene seems to imply that it’s the Nauglamír, but that was taken into the West by Elwing. Which is a neat piece of lore to drop into the movie except that it’s wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Mapp](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miss_mapp/32/369_2.png) [@Miss\_Mapp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miss_Mapp)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hobbit-part-1-extended-edition/672799/38 "2014-01-07T15:49:40Z")
I haven’t seen the EE yet, but I’m wondering–do they ever establish that Kili and Fili are Thorin’s nephews? It was never alluded to at all in the theatrical version. I was thinking about this again while watching the second movie last week; they did finally establish the relationship about half-way through that movie when the young dwarves stayed behind at Lake Town. ---
**Author:** ![teela\_brown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d9b06d/32.png) [@teela\_brown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/teela_brown)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hobbit-part-1-extended-edition/672799/39 "2014-01-07T17:32:22Z")
My question on the EE: I read long ago about how the main guy at _Ain’t It Cool_ was given a part as a hobbit in Hobbiton. He had to sign a non-disclosure agreement in exchange for such part, thereby insuring he wouldn’t spread spy pics or spoilers. He wrote that his scene was part of a “farmer’s market” scene in Hobbiton, and he got to play a fishmonger selling a fish to Bilbo. However, I saw no such scene in the theatrical edition. Was there any farmer’s market scene in the EE? ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hobbit-part-1-extended-edition/672799/40 "2014-01-07T17:36:49Z")
> [@teela\_brown](#): > > My question on the EE: > > I read long ago about how the main guy at _Ain’t It Cool_ was given a part as a hobbit in Hobbiton. He had to sign a non-disclosure agreement in exchange for such part, thereby insuring he wouldn’t spread spy pics or spoilers. He wrote that his scene was part of a “farmer’s market” scene in Hobbiton, and he got to play a fishmonger selling a fish to Bilbo. However, I saw no such scene in the theatrical edition. > > Was there any farmer’s market scene in the EE? Yes, the fishmonger scene made the EE. Overall I liked the additions from the EE except for the dwarf food fight, and the nude dwarf fountain-bathing. I realize the dwarves in PJ’s movies are often there for comic relief, but those scenes were particularly stupid. Otherwise it felt like the EE actually explains a number of things better than the abbreviated theatrical release. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hobbit-part-1-extended-edition/672799.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hobbit-part-1-extended-edition/672799.md?page=3)