# The holocaust is a hoax .... **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 23, 2008, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204 "2008-10-23T13:45:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![hotflungwok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/edb3f5/32.png) [@hotflungwok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hotflungwok)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/181 "2008-10-23T18:30:29Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > They certainly did. That is a big part of what made this particular talk fascinating. Got to see the situation from both viewpoints simultaneously. Whoa. That’s powerful. I would love to see that. ---
**Author:** ![Allan\_Gurfinkle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/aca169/32.png) [@Allan\_Gurfinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Allan_Gurfinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/182 "2008-10-23T18:30:54Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > what got you onto this Holocaust denial thing, why is it important to you and what do you hope to gain? Part 1. I got interested reading the internet and seeing a post that the stone plaque at Auschwitz was changed from four million died to one and a half million. Following that post there was the usual insult and evasion that we see in this thread. I thought, wait, this is a simple fact, true or false, and I can determine if it’s true or not. It is true. That was the start. The Cole video played an important part. I read Weirnik’s “A Year in Treblinka” Butz’s “Hoax of the Twentieth Century” Now I think Muller’s book is the clearest example of hoax writing. That was enough. Part 2. Why is it important? The holocaust was the justification for the ethnic cleansing of Palestine, and the blackmail of the UN to approve the establishment of the state of Israel. Aparthied Israel has created an unstable state in the middle east that is very likely to end very badly, perhaps for all of us. We are in two wars to, in the words of Fritz Hollings “Secure the state of Israel, and everyone knows it”. The phony holocaust is what is preventing a single state solution to the middle east situation, the only solution that will bring stability. Part 3. The original post links to two photos of hoax gas chambers with glass windows. Almost no one wants to discuss this incredible fact that strikes right at the heart of the holocaust lies. When you consider the implications of these hoax gas chambers, you will know the the holocaust story is in need of BIG revision. Beyond that, no one is appalled that the holocaust authorities have secreted away sixty million documents. The craziest slander of the Nazis is accepted without question, and any attempt to examine the fact is greeted with ridicule and evasion. There is one reason for this only, you, that is, the majority of posters here, are afraid of the truth. It’s amazing to me. If you’re not afraid of the truth, let’s discuss those hoax gas chambers. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/183 "2008-10-23T18:31:49Z")
[quote=“Allan\_Gurfinkle, post:133, topic:469204”] The Nazis did everything in their power to prevent the catastrophe at Belsen. QUOTE] Except, of course, not rounding up Jews and undesirables for extermination. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/184 "2008-10-23T18:32:57Z")
As a minor note, I might be a bit suspicious if pointless nitpicking like Allan’s was impossible - i.e. if the entire story of the Holocaust was tidy and complete and every detail worked out, which might indicate that it was a fictitious creation of a small number of people. Finding trivial inconsistencies is easy, though, for a real event that involved millions of people over several years across thousands of square miles. Anyway, if the Jews really are capable of such a mind-boggling hoax, this clearly demonstrates their superiority and they _should_ be in charge. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/185 "2008-10-23T18:35:18Z")
> [@Allan\_Gurfinkle](#): > > There is one reason for this only, you, that is, the majority of posters here, are afraid of the truth. Huh. That’s funny. We’re not the ones running wildly away from it flailing our arms and screaming “I CAN’T HEAR YOU LALALALALALALALALALALALA!!!” ---
**Author:** ![Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/186 "2008-10-23T18:36:46Z")
> [@Allan\_Gurfinkle](#): > > The craziest slander of the Nazis is accepted without question… You don’t know from crazy. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/187 "2008-10-23T18:40:14Z")
> [@Allan\_Gurfinkle](#): > > The original post links to two photos of hoax gas chambers with glass windows. Almost no one wants to discuss this incredible fact that strikes right at the heart of the holocaust lies. When you consider the implications of these hoax gas chambers, you will know the the holocaust story is in need of BIG revision. > [@Captain Amazing](#): > > They aren’t hoaxes. They’re reconstructions, and everybody admits they’re reconstructions. > [@Captain Amazing](#): > > They aren’t hoaxes. They’re reconstructions, and everybody admits they’re reconstructions. Any response there, **Allan**? > [@](#): > > Beyond that, no one is appalled that the holocaust authorities have secreted away sixty million documents. I’ve heard similar claims about Kennedy assassination-related documents for years, but they are largely false. > [@](#): > > The craziest slander of the Nazis is accepted without question, and any attempt to examine the fact is greeted with ridicule and evasion. Really makes you heart bleed for the poor Nazis, doesn’t it? > [@](#): > > If you’re not afraid of the truth, let’s discuss those hoax gas chambers. > [@Captain Amazing](#): > > They aren’t hoaxes. They’re reconstructions, and everybody admits they’re reconstructions. ---
**Author:** ![Jolly\_Roger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@Jolly\_Roger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jolly_Roger)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/188 "2008-10-23T18:40:23Z")
Ok, I know this isn’t the pit. (and hell, i’ve considered opeing a pit thead for him on GP, but damn, it ain’t worth the teeny effort) why are we entertaining this? Is there anyone that in anyway thinks the OP has a point? Or any reason other than not liking jews? I’m not jewish and I find this offensive. YMMV of course, but the OP only has a limited shelf life on entertainment. Everyone is free to tel their opinions but this border very close to plain distasteful. Sure you can post on it OP, but ots obvious that you’re mind is set. And to the OP, if you think I’m being unfair of saying that you may be a troll, or maybe deluded, you are welcome to pit me on it. I’m not a confrontational guy, so it should be easy. I think you’d lose, though. your choice. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/189 "2008-10-23T18:40:53Z")
I wonder what percentage of Holocaust deniers would support a bona fide campaign to kill off all Jews, Gypsies, etc. I bet it’s higher than 90%. ---
**Author:** ![Allan\_Gurfinkle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/aca169/32.png) [@Allan\_Gurfinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Allan_Gurfinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/190 "2008-10-23T18:41:47Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Anyway, if the Jews really are capable of such a mind-boggling hoax. There is clearly a mind boggling hoax involved. At Auschwitz the guides lead people through the room with the unsealed office doors, one with a plate glass window, and tell them that it was used to gas Jews. The only sane response to such an absurdity is to laugh out loud. No one does. This is a simple, irrefutable, FACT. The same thing happens at Majdanek, except that here the window is in the wall, not the door. It is beyond my imagination. It shows how completely gullible people can be when sufficiently conditioned. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/191 "2008-10-23T18:42:43Z")
> [@Allan\_Gurfinkle](#): > > There is no question about this, and it is fully documented with Nazi documents. It is also well known to the keepers of the Bad Arolsen archives. SIXTY MILLION NAZI DOCUMENTS that have been kept secret to this day. Wow, that’s really impressive. I’d like to drag all of those documents out into public view, using my TWIN BODY-POWERED DORRANCE #5X STAINLESS STEEL HOOKS. Mock. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/192 "2008-10-23T18:43:56Z")
> [@Allan\_Gurfinkle](#): > > At Auschwitz the guides lead people through the room with the unsealed office doors, one with a plate glass window, and tell them that it was used to gas Jews. > [@Captain Amazing](#): > > They aren’t hoaxes. They’re reconstructions, and everybody admits they’re reconstructions. Have you been to Auschwitz, **Allan Gurfinkle**? ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/193 "2008-10-23T18:44:40Z")
> [@Allan\_Gurfinkle](#): > > …The craziest slander of the Nazis is accepted without question, and any attempt to examine the fact is greeted with ridicule and evasion. There is one reason for this only, you, that is, the majority of posters here, are afraid of the truth… Ah, your admiration of the Nazis is the _real_ reason you’re here! Sadly, I doubt you’ll convince anybody. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/194 "2008-10-23T18:47:37Z")
Saying we’re afraid of the truth is a cheap copout. The bottom line is that your evidence is very unpersuasive given the historical record, and it’s easier to say people are “afraid” instead of acknowledging that an overwhelming majority of people feel the same way. Since I think this deserves a response I’ll post it again. > [@Captain Amazing](#): > > They aren’t hoaxes. They’re reconstructions, and everybody admits they’re reconstructions. Were you aware of this, and have you been there? ---
**Author:** ![Jolly\_Roger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@Jolly\_Roger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jolly_Roger)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/195 "2008-10-23T18:47:41Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Ah, your admiration of the Nazis is the _real_ reason you’re here! Sadly, I doubt you’ll convince anybody. wanna put some money that he won’t pit me on it even though I dared him to do it, really? ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/196 "2008-10-23T18:48:15Z")
> [@](#): > > At Auschwitz the guides lead people through the room with the unsealed office doors, one with a plate glass window, and tell them that it was used to gas Jews. The only sane response to such an absurdity is to laugh out loud. No one does. This is a simple, irrefutable, FACT. … > [@Captain Amazing](#): > > They aren’t hoaxes. They’re reconstructions, and everybody admits they’re reconstructions. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/197 "2008-10-23T18:49:08Z")
> [@Allan\_Gurfinkle](#): > > See the thread of comments on Cecil’s columns regarding the Buchenwald lampshades. The Master [has addressed Holocaust denial more generally.](http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1834/is-there-any-factual-basis-for-holocaust-denial) ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/198 "2008-10-23T18:50:08Z")
OK, so at least now we know what the OP’s apparent point was: a ‘single-state solution’ to Israel vs. Paletsinian territories. Please explain further: how do you envision that working, exactly? Meanwhile, what the hell is the signficance of glass windows in the death chambers (which, as I understand it, are reconstructions anyway)? Were there glass windows in the original buildings? If so, were they not constructed to appear to be shower facilities, to make the victims less fearful of being herded into them? ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/199 "2008-10-23T18:50:23Z")
> [@Fish](#): > > I am a leaf on the wind, watch me mock. Careful there, buddy. The last guy who said something like that got a giant spike through his chest 3 seconds later. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/200 "2008-10-23T18:50:54Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Ah, your admiration of the Nazis is the _real_ reason you’re here! Sadly, I doubt you’ll convince anybody. I’m betting he keeps pigeons and dances Der Guten Tag Hop-Clop at least once a day. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204.md?page=11)