# The holocaust is a hoax .... **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 23, 2008, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204 "2008-10-23T13:45:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/61 "2008-10-23T15:13:28Z")
> [@Allan\_Gurfinkle](#): > > Got ya ! > > For a video tour of Auschwitz, accompanied by the world’s only Jewish revisionist and an official tour guide, and an interview with the camp director, where all is explained, see … > > [http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/gcgvcole.html](http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/gcgvcole.html) I’m surfing during a work break. However, that site is blocked due to “Racism & Hate.” Please–find some better sources. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/62 "2008-10-23T15:17:20Z")
> [@Allan\_Gurfinkle](#): > > I don’t necessarily have links that are … what shall we say … kosher. That’s what I figured, but if you happened to find some, it’d be more helpful. ---
**Author:** ![Jolly\_Roger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@Jolly\_Roger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jolly_Roger)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/63 "2008-10-23T15:18:53Z")
Its close to Halloween so the crazy people are coming out. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/64 "2008-10-23T15:19:45Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > So whodunnit, **Gurfinkle?** Yeah…and HOW did they do it? [sub](sorry to keep hitching my question to yours **BrainGlutton** but I think both are relevant questions in conspiracies since often the conspiracy proposed is of a caliber that is just not possible to pull off in the real world in which we live…see Moon Landing Hoax for another example).[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Allan\_Gurfinkle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/aca169/32.png) [@Allan\_Gurfinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Allan_Gurfinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/65 "2008-10-23T15:20:14Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > I’m surfing during a work break. However, that site is blocked due to “Racism & Hate.” > > Please–find some better sources. There are no sources for much of this information that are ADL approved. For a discussion of the ADL’s effort to suppress discussion of the holocaust under the guise of ‘hate speech’ see… [http://www.adl.org/internet/print.asp](http://www.adl.org/internet/print.asp) and thank God for the First Amendment, which is the only thing making this very discussion possible in the US. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/66 "2008-10-23T15:20:36Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > I love this thread. > > Here at the Straight Dope, we may have our differences, our animosities, our ideological divergences that sometimes lead to quarrels and anger, especially in election season. Sometimes it’s easy to forget that ultimately, we all share the same core mission: fighting ignorance. > > But then when somebody shows up with some truly spectacular, utterly indefensible ignorance to fight, Dopers of all ideological stripes are on it like piranhas on a drowning buffalo. That is truly heartwarming to see, although it makes me feel a little odd to think of anything that can plausibly be compared to piranhas on a drowning buffalo as “heartwarming”. > > Thank you, **Allan Gurfinkle**! You’re a uniter! Pretty much exactly what I was planning to post. It really is nice to know that, despite our very real and deep differences this campaign season, 99% of the membership of this message board will come together and agree absolutely when something like Holocaust Denial tripe is brought up. I love you guys. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/67 "2008-10-23T15:20:40Z")
All you’re doing is pointing us to books to read and NSFW websites to peruse. Why don’t YOU make YOUR argument instead of telling us “Oh, go read this author, he’ll explain everything!” ---
**Author:** ![Hunter\_Hawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/50afbb/32.png) [@Hunter\_Hawk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hunter_Hawk)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/68 "2008-10-23T15:23:16Z")
It’s all because of the pineal gland! ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/69 "2008-10-23T15:23:50Z")
> [@Allan\_Gurfinkle](#): > > The book title answers the ‘why’ question. Please be kind enough to state, in your own words, what the objective of a Holocaust hoax is. > [@](#): > > Discussion of the holocaust is suppressed worldwide. That statement seems incorrect to me. Perhaps what you wanted to say is that “denial of the holocaust is suppressed worldwide”, but that doesn’t seem to be entirely true either. After all, no one has yet stopped you from bringing up the subject here. > [@](#): > > My suggestion would be wait until your internet activity is not being supervised to follow the links. I don’t necessarily have links that are … what shall we say … kosher. My suggestion is that you start laying out your actual position and defending it, rather than simply throwing a collection of links at us and telling us to sort it out. ---
**Author:** ![Allan\_Gurfinkle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/aca169/32.png) [@Allan\_Gurfinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Allan_Gurfinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/70 "2008-10-23T15:24:20Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > All you’re doing is pointing us to books to read and NSFW websites to peruse. Why don’t YOU make YOUR argument instead of telling us “Oh, go read this author, he’ll explain everything!” Please note: I did that. See the original post. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/71 "2008-10-23T15:25:06Z")
> [@Allan\_Gurfinkle](#): > > There are no sources for much of this information that are ADL approved. What **ivylass** said.You do not need the ADL’s permission to post your arguments here. And you can start with: Who perpetrated the Holocaust hoax, and how and why? How did they manage to deceive the entire top command of the British, American and Soviet armed forces, who were in a position to review all the evidence when it was still fresh and there were multitudes of live witnesses and skeletal corpses available to be examined? ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/72 "2008-10-23T15:26:55Z")
> [@Allan\_Gurfinkle](#): > > I don’t necessarily have links that are … what shall we say … kosher. Wow. Just…wow. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/73 "2008-10-23T15:29:51Z")
> [@Allan\_Gurfinkle](#): > > Please note: I did that. See the original post. Please state your case once more. Use complete sentences & paragraphs. If you refer to books–the board allows brief quotations. If you supply links–avoid hate sites. ---
**Author:** ![Allan\_Gurfinkle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/aca169/32.png) [@Allan\_Gurfinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Allan_Gurfinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/74 "2008-10-23T15:30:30Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > Wow. Just…wow. Wow all you like. The fact is you, i.e. this board, is telling me you won’t/can’t/don’t want to look at links that are not ADL approved. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/75 "2008-10-23T15:30:33Z")
A couple of years ago I was doing an Adobe Illustrator course at night school in Stockholm. Right at the end of the course, just as we were supposed to be handing in our projects, the teacher decided to not turn up. We never saw him again. Turned out he had gone to Iran to do speech at a Holocaust Denial conference. True story. > **[The Local - Sweden's news in English](https://www.thelocal.se/404)** > > Daily news from Sweden written in English by native English-speaking journalists. An entertaining blend of Sweden's latest news headlines, politics, sport, business, and features. PDF from his presentation in Tehran: > **[holocaust\_demography.pdf](https://www.bernhoff.se/holocaust_demography.pdf)** > > 2.39 MB Weird how these things happen. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/76 "2008-10-23T15:30:37Z")
> [@Allan\_Gurfinkle](#): > > The book title answers the ‘why’ question. You started this debate, so stop asking us to do your research for you. When someone asks you a question, why can’t you just answer it instead of saying “the answer is here”? If you want to give cites to back up what you say, that’s fine; but speak for yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/77 "2008-10-23T15:31:18Z")
> [@Allan\_Gurfinkle](#): > > Wow all you like. The fact is you, i.e. this board, is telling me you won’t/can’t/don’t want to look at links that are not ADL approved. In other words, you got nothin’. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/78 "2008-10-23T15:32:43Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > it makes me feel a little odd to think of anything that can plausibly be compared to piranhas on a drowning buffalo as “heartwarming” It may help if you think of the buffalo as a Jew. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/79 "2008-10-23T15:32:45Z")
> [@Allan\_Gurfinkle](#): > > There are no sources for much of this information that are ADL approved. > > For a discussion of the ADL’s effort to suppress discussion of the holocaust under the guise of ‘hate speech’ see… > > [http://www.adl.org/internet/print.asp](http://www.adl.org/internet/print.asp) > > and thank God for the First Amendment, which is the only thing making this very discussion possible in the US. Nonsence. There are some countries where holocaust denial is illegal but not all. You could come to ireland and have this discussion all you want. You’d be laughed at and not taken seriously by any right thinking person but you wouldn’t have the law on your back. ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/80 "2008-10-23T15:33:26Z")
> [@Allan\_Gurfinkle](#): > > A short proof that the holocaust , that is, that millions were killed in gas chambers, is a hoax, follows. First off, it’s stupid of me to even engage a Holocaust denier, but I’m game today. Uh…the Holocaust (capital H for the historical event, lowercase h for any big fire) does NOT and never did require “gas” to be the method of death. It simply is defined as “the killing” of a bunch of people. The killing is absolutely established as historical fact – perpetrators, participants, witnesses, survivors, locals, Germans, Americans, and Russians all agreed on that, by the thousands. The testimony and extant documentation by the perpetrators themselves is especially damning. I don’t see how nitpicking over the gas chambers can in any way contravene the mountain of evidence, but even that’s easily knocked down. I’ve never heard of Dr. Chuck, but the method of operation at the death camps, as I understood it, involved immediate cremation of the gassed victims, so there wouldn’t be any for the Doc to find. Sailboat [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204.md?page=5)