# The holocaust is a hoax .... **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 23, 2008, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204 "2008-10-23T13:45:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/101 "2008-10-23T15:55:12Z")
> [@Enola\_Gay](#): > > **Several pictures show the sonderkommandos dragging dead bodies from the gas chamber into the crematoria**. Obviously, those photos are REALLY documentation of the slaves of the Elders of Zion removing the dead, blood-drained bodies of innocent Christians from the Sacrifice Rooms. Duh. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/102 "2008-10-23T15:56:08Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > I love this thread. > > Here at the Straight Dope, we may have our differences, our animosities, our ideological divergences that sometimes lead to quarrels and anger, especially in election season. Sometimes it’s easy to forget that ultimately, we all share the same core mission: fighting ignorance. > > But then when somebody shows up with some truly spectacular, utterly indefensible ignorance to fight, Dopers of all ideological stripes are on it like piranhas on a drowning buffalo. That is truly heartwarming to see, although it makes me feel a little odd to think of anything that can plausibly be compared to piranhas on a drowning buffalo as “heartwarming”. > > Thank you, **Allan Gurfinkle**! You’re a uniter! That’s a hoax. piranhas save drowning water buffalo! It’s a conspiracy by by the water buffalo media. All the water buffalo bones in the bottom of the Nile where left their by buffalo that died of old age. The videos of piranhas on buffalo where photoshops done in a elaborate conspiracy to edit in attacking piranha one frame at a time. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/103 "2008-10-23T15:57:16Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > All the water buffalo bones in the bottom of the Nile where left their by buffalo that died of old age. \Amazon\ ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/104 "2008-10-23T15:57:28Z")
> [@Allan\_Gurfinkle](#): > > Are you sure about Ireland? They have one of the most astounding ‘hate speech’ laws imaginable, that could be used to suppress anything … so if the govt. is allowing holocaust denial it is not for lack of a law … let’s google … here’s a snippet … of Ireland’s Incitement to Hatred Act > > A person shall be guilty of an offence under this Act if, with intent to stir up hatred against, or arouse fear of, any section of the public in Northern Ireland- Incitement to hatred. > (a) he publishes or distributes written or other matter which is threatening, abusive or insulting; or > (b) he uses in any public place or at any public meeting words which are threatening, abusive or insulting; > being matter or words likely to stir up hatred against, or arouse fear of, any section of the public in Northern Ireland on grounds of religious belief, colour, race or ethnic or national origins. > > More … > > [CAIN: Prevention of Incitement to Hatred Act (Northern Ireland) 1970](http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/hmso/piha1970.htm) > > The act … > > [Prohibition of Incitement To Hatred Act, 1989](http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1989/en/act/pub/0019/index.html) > > Based on the above, I refer to Ireland as the ADLs most successful effort, am I wrong? Northern Ireland is not The Republic and so have different laws. We had a bit of a issue about the whole thing over the last few decades you may have heard about it. Anyway, while we have Incitement to Hatred laws there are no holocaust denial laws on the books. David Irving talked here at Trinity College. I know because while he enjoyed his constitutional(the Irish one) rights I also enjoyed mine and protested outside making it as hard as possible, while staying within the law, for the neo-nazi fuck. ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/105 "2008-10-23T15:57:28Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [hijack] > > I recall a story that one Greek mathematician offered a holocaust of 100 bulls after devising a proof that the square root of two is not a rational number. > > [/hijack] [hijack]And that is a hecatomb, iirc – the mass sacrifice of one hundred.[/hijack] Sailboat ---
**Author:** ![Allan\_Gurfinkle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/aca169/32.png) [@Allan\_Gurfinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Allan_Gurfinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/106 "2008-10-23T15:59:29Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > You’re referring to Northern Ireland, which is a different country than Ireland. Great Scott ! I’m Irish (no kidding). ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/107 "2008-10-23T16:00:13Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > \Amazon\ Dang it I thought there were piranha in Africa too and I always get wilder beast and water buffalo confused. \>.\< I just had my ignorance fought in a holocaust deniers thread. What an odd turn of events. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/108 "2008-10-23T16:00:43Z")
> [@kingpengvin](#): > > OK I have a question that I’ve always wanted to ask about this topic to those claiming hoax. > > Why do you need the holocaust to be a hoax? I mean beyond the usual pat answers of wanting to find the"truth" and all. > > What is it in you that made you believe that all the prior evidence was a big lie and what do you get out of it if it was indeed the hoax you claim it to be? > > Seriously, why would anyone be so obsessed with the idea of a hoax that they would try to discount eyewitness accounts, the actual hard evidence and testimony by the people actually involved? > > what’s in it for you… honestly. Deep down what is it you’re really trying to sell? There are actually people who study the psychology and motives of Holocaust deniers, and the conclusion they mainly come to is this: They are predominently Nazi-wannabes. But they are smart enough to realize that one of the main reaons Nazism is so reviled in the world is the memory of the Holocaust. If only they can get the world to believe that the Holocaust did not occur, then Nazism could come back as a legitimate political philosophy (they think). Ed ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/109 "2008-10-23T16:01:04Z")
> [@Allan\_Gurfinkle](#): > > A short proof that the holocaust , that is, that millions were killed in gas chambers, is a hoax, follows. > > For the crime of murder we need a body and a weapon. > > The US sent teams of forensic pathologists into the camps immediately after the war. The team was led by Dr. Charles Larson. Larson did not find a single body showing signs of gas poisoning. None have been found by anyone at any time. > > [http://www.codoh.com/info/infoihr/ihr5liberate.html](http://www.codoh.com/info/infoihr/ihr5liberate.html) > > There were six alleged ‘extermination camps’ (soon to be 5 I think as Majdanek will be removed from the list). Four were razed before the end of the war. Two are still standing, Auschwitz and Majdanek. Both have visitors tours that culminate in hoax gas chambers. How do we know the gas chambers are hoaxes? They have unbarred glass windows, among other things. See for yourself at > > Auschwitz > [http://www.historiography-project.org/misc/doors.html](http://www.historiography-project.org/misc/doors.html) > > Majdanek > [http://www.historiography-project.org/weblog/2007/10/window-in-the-majdanek-gas-cha.html](http://www.historiography-project.org/weblog/2007/10/window-in-the-majdanek-gas-cha.html) > > The Auschwitz hoax gas chamber is a room in a crematorium. The Majdanek hoax gas chamber is a delousing room where Zyklon, pellets producing cyanide gas, was used to kill lice in clothes to prevent typhus. These delousing ‘gas chambers’, whose purpose was to save lives, were the inspiration for the ‘homicidal gas chambers’ of the holocaust lies. > > Thousands died of typhus in the camps, particularly at the western camps that had received a huge influx of prisoners from the eastern camps at the end of the war. Pictures of these typhus victims are presented as evidence of the holocaust. Many of the photos were taken a Belsen, not a death camp, at the end of the war. For pictures of Belsen at the end of the war that will never appear in the media see… > > [Survivors](http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=0) I have reread your OP, as instructed. Please point out to me where you say you’ve proven the Holocaust never happened. And don’t point me to another website or a book to read. Several of your points have already been disputed by others smarter than I. You teed up the ball, it’s up to you to sink it in the hole. Thus far you haven’t done anything other than cite hardly unbiased sources. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/110 "2008-10-23T16:02:08Z")
**Allan** , you’ll agree that you hold a, charitably spoken, rather controversial minority view. So, it’s only natural that the burden of proof should lie with you, not with those adhering to what’s commonly taken to be historical fact; so, keeping this in mind, to you have any response to [my earlier post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10350223&postcount=46)? ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/111 "2008-10-23T16:02:10Z")
> [@Sailboat](#): > > [hijack]And that is a hecatomb, iirc – the mass sacrifice of one hundred.[/hijack] > > Sailboat That’s one hec of a tomb. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/112 "2008-10-23T16:03:18Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > So whodunnit, **Gurfinkle?** Well, he says the book title answers the question. Said title: “The First Holocaust - Jewish Fundraising Campaigns with Holocaust Claims During World War One” Reading between the surprisingly coy lines, the thesis that our bold champion of free speech seems strangely reluctant to state in as many words would appear to be that the Jews themselves perpetrated the hoax (no doubt abusing to the full the unparalleled power and access which they enjoyed under the Third Reich) simply as a device for raising money. We can only wonder, in the absence of any clear statement of the thesis, whether the sheer implausibility of any group conceiving and executing such a complex and extensive fraud as pure money-making venture is held to be lessened by the consideration that the group in question consists of Jews. But surely - surely - not. An alternative thesis - that the peoples of Europe have a long and inglorious history of sporadic violence against their Jewish neighbours, particularly in periods of war, famine or strife; that WWI was such a period; and that the “Holocaust Claims” spoken of in the title might well be accurate accounts of anti-Jewish violence - has, presumably, been dismissed. Not, of course, dismissed out of hand, but on the basis of cites that are as impartial as they are accessible, and as free of the taint of anti-Semitism as they are rooted in historical fact. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/113 "2008-10-23T16:03:48Z")
> [@Allan\_Gurfinkle](#): > > Great Scott ! I’m Irish (no kidding). Please be kidding or at least mean it in the American way of having a distant relative. I don’t want to have you as a fellow citizen. _To deny the Holocaust is to deny one’s humanity_ - Noam Chomsky ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/114 "2008-10-23T16:05:24Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > You’re referring to Northern Ireland, which is a different country than Ireland. The OP’s posting style being somewhat incoherent, I did a bit of research. Apparently, both Northern Ireland & the Republic have laws against Incitement to Hatred. The links went to laws enacted by both governments. However, I doubt the ADL had a thing to do with either law. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/115 "2008-10-23T16:06:29Z")
> [@yojimbo](#): > > Please be kidding or at least mean it in the American way of having a distant relative. > > I don’t want to have you as a fellow citizen. > > _To deny the Holocaust is to deny one’s humanity_ - Noam Chomsky It has to be the latter, if he doesn’t know the difference between NI and RoI. I can’t believe there’s a living human between the age of -what? ten?- and death that isn’t acutely aware of the the difference between the two. ---
**Author:** ![Jolly\_Roger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@Jolly\_Roger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jolly_Roger)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/116 "2008-10-23T16:07:06Z")
> [@Enola\_Gay](#): > > Wow, that is fascinating. I’ve read extensively about the Holocaust, mostly because it boggles my mind that humans can be capable of such evil. But one of the most poignant accounts I’ve ever heard was from a man who was 14 when Auschwitz was liberated. He described how he had been treated like garbage for so long, that he didn’t feel human anymore. He felt he had no worth. Then when the Americans arrived at the camp, he described how a young American GI came up to him with tears and horror in his eyes. He said the GI took off his coat and put it around the boy and hugged him around the shoulder, then went fishing through his pockets to find him something to eat. He said “I couldn’t believe it. Here I was this smelly disgusting animal covered in lice and filth, yet this man…this privileged man..touched me, put his arm around me like I was a real person.” It is one of those interviews I will never forget. I don’t usually get all gushy at stuff. Neither does my friend Beck or my boss. In the thread about homeless people in the Pit I commented a bit about a trip we took to Amsterdam last spring. We all went to the Anne Frank house. All of us were deeply moved by it. My boss (a former Marine) and I ran into an old women while taking a train from germany to france about 2 years ago. She asked us in english “are you American soldiers?”. We told her I was and my boss (Bill for that is not his name) was a retired marine. She thanked us both because she said the allied forces freed her family from Dachua. I guess the OP thinks that she was a plant sent to fool us about the real truth. …and that the Turner Diaries are an example of prophecy. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/117 "2008-10-23T16:08:14Z")
Allan, I don’t know if you realize how utterly silly and insulting your thesis is to those of us who actually have relatives who were killed in the Holocaust and who personally know survivors. (And, by the way, it wasn’t all done with gas chambers; my relatives were apparently simply lined up and shot to death when the Nazis overran the Ukraine.) ---
**Author:** ![sqweels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f19dbf/32.png) [@sqweels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sqweels)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/118 "2008-10-23T16:08:37Z")
> [@Allan\_Gurfinkle](#): > > I don’t necessarily have links that are … what shall we say … kosher. :eek: And the fun never ends. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/119 "2008-10-23T16:13:39Z")
> [@amrussell](#): > > Reading between the surprisingly coy lines, the thesis that our bold champion of free speech seems strangely reluctant to state in as many words would appear to be that the Jews themselves perpetrated the hoax (no doubt abusing to the full the unparalleled power and access which they enjoyed under the Third Reich) simply as a device for raising money. They faked the Holocaust for the money? I can’t decide if that’s hateful, anti-climactic, or hysterical. ---
**Author:** ![Allan\_Gurfinkle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/aca169/32.png) [@Allan\_Gurfinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Allan_Gurfinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2008, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204/120 "2008-10-23T16:15:06Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > I have reread your OP, as instructed. Please point out to me where you say you’ve proven the Holocaust never happened. And don’t point me to another website or a book to read. Several of your points have already been disputed by others smarter than I. You teed up the ball, it’s up to you to sink it in the hole. Thus far you haven’t done anything other than cite hardly unbiased sources. Thank you. I do not argue that something did or did not happen. I do prove that crucial evidence that has been presented for the holocaust is an obvious hoax. I have demonstrated that there are no bodies showing signs of gas poisoning that have been found, and not for lack of trying. So here, where we would expect evidence, there is none. I have demonstrated that the only two gas chambers that are now in existence and accessible are hoaxes. Consider the implications of this. The holocaust authorities are lying. When I investigate the holocaust, I always came back to this irrefutable fact. The other ‘evidence’ is the pictures of the dead and dying. I have shown that these deaths were due to typhus and not the deliberate actions of the Nazis. Here is a good link on that subject … [http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-11-25-holocaust-archive\_x.htm](http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-11-25-holocaust-archive_x.htm) which contains … “Anne and Margot Frank died during a typhus epidemic that swept through Bergen-Belsen from February to April 1945, killing an estimated 35,000 people.” Now, you can object that I haven’t proved it, because you do not accept what I have said at face value. I would say that I have proved it, but now you must convince yourself, by your own investigation, if what I have said is correct or not. It is impossible for me to present any information that will overcome the years of conditioning that you have experienced. My hope is to pique your curiosity, to show you that there are some glaring discrepencies in the holocaust story, and to get you to INVESTIGATE YOURSELF. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-holocaust-is-a-hoax/469204.md?page=7)