The "How to" for a Poker Game

** TaxGuy**, while the game’s been going for 12 years now, and we usually play on the first Thursday of every month, the host (we play at the one guy’s house - he’s got a felt table, poker table light and a wet bar) has a wife who just began chemo and we’re in a bit of disarray at the moment.

While I doubt we’ll let what’s become an institution fall by the wayside, I don’t as yet know what the new plan is. I’ll remember you, though.

BTW, if you’re in the neighborhood, come to our next Houston Dopefest.

Most everybody said what I was going to say, but I couldn’t resist throwing in a few words.

Money: Poker is not a card game. Poker is a money game. If you are playing with 5 other people, then you will have the best hand exactly 1/6 of the time. Your job is to make more money in that one sixth than you lose in the other 5/ 6 ths. Play conservative. If you start with a crappy hand, it might get better, but the other guy’s might get better too.

Also, once you’ve put money in the pot, it’s not your money any more. Don’t throw good money after bad. Ok, you’ve heard that a million times, I’m sure. But you know what I’ve seen a million times? People throwing good money after bad.

Every time the bet comes around to you, you get to make a choice. You have to ask yourself about every bet, is this a good gamble?

It is completely appropriate to count your money at the table, and indeed you should. Just don’t be too obvous about it and certainly don’t gloat.

It is completely appropriate to set a limit on how much you are willing to lose in one night. Don’t take any crap from people about this. BUT, on the other hand, I do think it is rude to win a bunch of money and then quit early. I saw this happen once in college. We sat down at about 8 pm, one guy one several big hands, and then at 8:30 said, well, I’ve made my money, so I’m done. That guy was not invited back.

Etiquette: Maybe these points are all obvious but:
(1) don’t touch anybody else’s chips (unless you are raking in a pot you just won, but in that case, they’re your chips now!);
(2) Don’t look at anybody else’s cards (except of course their up cards in a stud game); If somebody is holding their cards in a lazy way so you can see them, tell them.
(3) as long as you are focused on the game, and not talking on your cell phone or whatever, then you should take as much time as you need to decide what to do (e.g. whether to call or fold, how many cards to take, etc.), and don’t take any guff from people trying to razz you.l

Bluffing: Don’t go overboard with this. As has been noted above, especially in a low stakes game, it is pretty hard to bluff out everybody else. BUT, that does not mean you should’t ever bluff. The point of bluffing on a pot is not to win that pot. The idea is to be unpredictable. You don’t want to be the guy who only bets when he has a great hand. Then everyone else will just fold as soon as you go in.

The Order When you are first starting out, it is easy to forget that a full house beats a flush, and that a flush beats a straight (indeed in the early history of poker it was the other way around), and that three of a kind beats two pair. Unless you have the order memorized (and maybe you do already) you should get one of those little cards with the order on it. NEVER EVER EVER ask " does X beat Y". If you can’t remember the order, ask somebody to recite the whole order to you so you don’t give anything away.

The showdown According to Hoyle, whoever is in after the last round of bets immediately shows his or her cards. None of this waiting to see what the other guy has and then tossing your hand away if you can’t beat it. BUT, not every group plays according to Hoyle in this regard. Best to pick a rule and stick to it. Also, different groups have different rules about “declaring” your hand. Say you have a bunch of wild cards in your hand and you declare it as a flush. Well, it turns out really you have a straight flush. Some groups say, your tough luck. Other’s say, the cards do the talking. So, if somebody makes a mistake declaring what their cards are, it doesn’t affect the outcome of the hand.

Annoying Misconceptions Many people incorrectly think (1) that suits affect the rank of poker hand, so that for example, a flush in spades beats a flush in hearts; and (2) that only the person who is called has to show her cards. Incorrect on both counts.

So after talking all of the info in the thread into my head, some practice on partypoker.com and reading the rules of play in a book I headed off to the game last night.

I got to the host’s house who had the requesite sandwich fixin’s, chips, and beer. (At this point I would like to add “a casual amount of sobriety” is another good tip. :wink: ) The host posted the house rules up on the wall. Standard stuff, no wild cards, no copper on the table (although, we played with chips so that rule was moot), only three raises. The chips were $0.25, $0.50 and $1.00. Everyone threw in $20 and bought chips (and we ran out of chips and a chip run was needed, there were 6 of us at that point). We did a little 5 card stud jacks or better to open and trips to win. We moved on to 5 card draw, 7 card stud, texas hold ‘em, and two and six card guts. After about 2 hours I was up about $15.00. (I know what Kenny Rogers says, but I was countin’ em anyway, for science ya know.)

A couple players left and a couple new ones came in. A couple bottles of beer were emptied and my pile started to shrink more and more. Then it grew a little bit. And then it shrank more. After 5 hours in total I had to get out. (There weren’t any rules about when you could/couldn’t cash out). I left the table with $5.25 of my original $20.00. So I was pretty pleased without getting totally hosed.

Thanks for all the words, Dopers!

Sounds like you had a good time. One piece of advice I don’t think was given: If you can’t afford to lose it, don’t play the game. If you have to sweat every dollar, then it isn’t any fun.

When you go in the service, all your friends and relatives tell you to stay out of card games because there are so many sharks in the service.

Well, I found it to be a little different - mostly decent, honest, but average to dumb players. So I won a hell of a lot more than I lost. One reason was in 2 and a half years in Gtmo, especially, we had the same cast of characters sitting in, and it got to the point I was almost reading their minds.

In my full four years in the USN, I ran into two blatant cases of cheating. Got out of the first game quickly and quietly. (The two cheaters were a couple of huge hillbillies who’d bottom deal deuces to each other in, curiously enough, 5-card draw, deuces wild.) Stayed in the for the second though and beat the sons of bitches at their own game.

Oh. Somewhere along the line - after my hitch - I was in a game and heard a guy cheating. Swear to God. He was dealing seconds You can experience the sound by taking a deck and dealing the second from the top cards just like you were dealing draw poker to, say, 5 or six players. Don’t try to be skillful, just lay the top card a little to the side and deal those beneath it. You will hear a swish as that second card rubs against the top and third cards as it’s peeled from the deck.

But it is a thing of beauty to watch a second dealer work. You cannot see him doing it. But if you listen, you can hear it. Stayed in that game, but usually dropped quickly whenever second dealer dealt.

Well since you asked about ettiquette:

The single most important thing to avoid bad blood is to agree on a time to quit and stick to it. This prevents an early winner from bowing out and not giving others a chance to regain losses. If you reach the quitting time and everyone agrees to continue, then set a new time. And don’t just say “a couple hours,” set an exact time.