# The Hunter Biden Investigation {thread started in 2019}, Hunter Pardoned on December 1, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 28, 2019, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964 "2019-09-28T19:54:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Northeast\_Refugee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a183cd/32.png) [@Northeast\_Refugee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northeast_Refugee)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/101 "2019-10-03T23:26:14Z")
> [@mjmlabs](#): > > Wow, that is some shamefully deceptive editing. I wonder why that YouTuber didn’t let the rest of the sentence play? Oh, right … because the rest of the sentence would have been something like “…in order to protect his son, Hunter.” Please provide evidence for your claim that > [@mjmlabs](#): > > the rest of the sentence would have been something like “…in order to protect his son, Hunter.” ---
**Author:** ![Northeast\_Refugee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a183cd/32.png) [@Northeast\_Refugee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northeast_Refugee)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/102 "2019-10-03T23:29:14Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Why don’t the “real news media” do their investigative reporting duties and uncover all of this evidence? . No, let the Congress do its duty, subpoena Joe and Hunter Biden, Ukrainian officials, have them testify under oath, etc, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/103 "2019-10-03T23:29:29Z")
> [@Northeast\_Refugee](#): > > So, just like user user **CarnalK** , you’re unable to provide any evidence for the claim that > > ? > That’s ok, just admit it, and we can move with the discussion. The bipartisan Senate Ukraine Caucus sent a letter in 2016 that said that: “[R]eforms will show Russian President Vladimir Putin that an independent, transparent, and democratic Ukraine can and will succeed. It also offers a stark alternative to the authoritarianism and oligarchic cronyism prevalent in Russia. … **We similarly urge you to press ahead with urgent reforms to the Prosecutor General’s office** and judiciary.” Guess Republicans were against the Prosecutor General before they were for him. [https://www.portman.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/portman-durbin-shaheen-and-senate-ukraine-caucus-reaffirm-commitment-help](https://www.portman.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/portman-durbin-shaheen-and-senate-ukraine-caucus-reaffirm-commitment-help) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/104 "2019-10-03T23:33:27Z")
Someone needs to press Rob Portman (R-Ohio), Ron Johnson (R-WI), Mark Kirk (R-IL) about this. Ask them specifically about why they wanted the Ukraine prosecutor out then. Just like Biden. Ask them why they are now saying NOTHING now. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/105 "2019-10-03T23:50:02Z")
> [@Northeast\_Refugee](#): > > A man who’s a drug addict is not fit to be on a board of any major corporation, that’s kinda obvious, despite whatever trash liberal Goebbels propaganda you absorb. As I mentioned, Goerge W Bush appointed Hunter to the Amtrak Board of Directors. Was Bush fooled by liberal propaganda? ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/106 "2019-10-04T00:52:13Z")
> [@Northeast\_Refugee](#): > > No, let the Congress do its duty, subpoena Joe and Hunter Biden, Ukrainian officials, have them testify under oath, etc, etc. I wonder what they’d ask about, or what they’d uncover. I mean, the facts which presumably create the scandal are uncontroverted: 1. Biden, as VP, pushed Ukraine to fire a prosecutor 2. Biden’s son was on the board of a Ukrainian energy company when this happened. Also, 3) Hunter Biden was paid a lot of money for his time on the board. While I realize that some people think this makes for a slam dunk, I don’t see it. What other information would congress uncover? If there is some belief that Biden pushes this firing because Hunter was in trouble, it is not at all supported by anything I’ve seen. Congressional hearing: “At the time of the firing, was Hunter Biden or the company being investigated or suspected of wrongdoing?” “No” “Yeah, I got nothing.” I mean, I’m sure the next round (when they bring in Trump’s kids to talk about their business dealings since Trump took office) will be at least as illuminating, and probably even more so. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/107 "2019-10-04T14:52:02Z")
I don’t see a thread on Pence’s complicity in the crime everyone’s talking about. And the only mention of Pence in this thread is a flippant joke. Yet Pence appears to be guilty of a felony in the same matter. Think of it: _ **The Vice President of the United States is almost obviously guilty of a high crime or treason and that news is so ho-hum in today’s topsy-turvy White House it hardly attracts mention.** _ I say _almost_ obviously guilty. The Vice President’s defense, apparently [is that, when making a special trip as the envoy to follow-up a telephone call between two government chiefs](https://youtu.be/LP5NeI5gWzs?t=360) he was unaware of the contents of the call he was following up despite that he’d been briefed on it verbally, had presumably read a transcript of the call, and his top aide had listened in on the call in the first place! That’s right! _ **Pence’s only defense against a charge of criminal corruption will be that he is stupider than a cockroach.** _ ---
**Author:** ![SmellMyWort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SmellMyWort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmellMyWort)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/108 "2019-10-04T15:05:16Z")
> [@Northeast\_Refugee](#): > > A man who’s a drug addict is not fit to be on a board of any major corporation, that’s kinda obvious, despite whatever trash liberal Goebbels propaganda you absorb. You have a conveniently low bar for accusing someone of being a drug addict. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/109 "2019-10-04T15:07:24Z")
I think what certain Republicans are hoping is that a Hunter Biden investigation will reveal that he was in cahoots with Hillary to hide her emails and smuggle children into Comet Ping Pong PIzza so they could be sold as sex slaves. Perhaps as a bonus, an investigation might reveal that Hunter Biden is one of the shape-shifting Lizard People that are trying to take over the world. The result they are looking for is that the Demon-Rat party is hereby outlawed and all them traitors are rounded up and shot. I really do think that they believe this sort of thing. They honestly do. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/110 "2019-10-04T16:53:46Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I really do think that they believe this sort of thing. They honestly do. And they have their eyes of Czechoslovakia and Poland. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/111 "2019-10-06T00:21:14Z")
> [@Northeast\_Refugee](#): > > A man who’s a drug addict is not fit to be on a board of any major corporation, that’s kinda obvious, despite whatever trash liberal Goebbels propaganda you absorb. A man who is a blatantly narcissistic liar who ignores science and promotes hatred is “not fit” to be president of a country, that is obvious. However, you were not asked to provide a citation that Biden was not fit, only that he lacked the requisite qualifications. Making nasty comments does nothing to improve your chances of persuading anyone of your position. I strongly urge you to tone down the rhetoric and begin participating in an informed and logical manner before you find yourself unable to participate in these fora. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/112 "2019-10-06T01:38:26Z")
One of the recent interviews on MSNBC had a guest who had been a diplomat or similar in Ukraine. Apologies as I am not sure who they were. This news cycle is moving so fast now that I don’t even both watching news clips that are more than a day old. In any case, regardless of who the talking head was, what he said really stuck with me. It was basically that Ukraine is corrupt to the point where if you go over there and say “I want dirt on X” some shifty Slav will come up to you and say “Da! I can get you all kinds of dirt on X” _for any value of X_. ---
**Author:** ![Northeast\_Refugee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a183cd/32.png) [@Northeast\_Refugee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northeast_Refugee)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/113 "2019-10-06T14:31:46Z")
And it now looks like Congress MUST start investigating Joe Biden, if the Democrats have any shred of decency left (yeah, right) In a [sworn affidavit](https://www.scribd.com/document/427618359/Shokin-Statement), prosecutor Victor Shokin testifies that, among other things: 1. His actions did not suit Joe Biden **and the persons connected to him**. 2. He was forced out because he was leading wide-ranging corruption probe into Burisma 3. He was pressured by (at the time) President Poroshenko to wind down investigation into Burisma. Who, in turn, if anyone, could pressure Poroshenko to make such demands of Shokin? Who, indeed… ---
**Author:** ![Northeast\_Refugee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a183cd/32.png) [@Northeast\_Refugee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northeast_Refugee)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/114 "2019-10-06T14:36:34Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > In any case, regardless of who the talking head was, what he said really stuck with me. It was basically that Ukraine is corrupt to the point where if you go over there and say “I want dirt on X” some shifty Slav will come up to you and say “Da! I can get you all kinds of dirt on X” _for any value of X_. That sounds like very much true: witness [DNC colluding with Ukrainian officials](https://www.grassley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/constituents/2017-07-20%20CEG%20to%20DOJ%20%28Ukraine%20DNC%20FARA%29.pdf) to dig dirt on their political opponents during 2016 elections. ---
**Author:** ![Fentoine\_Lum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b77776/32.png) [@Fentoine\_Lum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fentoine_Lum)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/115 "2019-10-06T19:20:17Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > When you have evidence for that, come right on back. Otherwise, you’re just perpetuating the smear. While Don brought everyone but Baron and Tiffany, who he does’t like to be photographed with, into our dysfunctional kleptocratic kakistocracy. ---
**Author:** ![Fentoine\_Lum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b77776/32.png) [@Fentoine\_Lum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fentoine_Lum)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/116 "2019-10-06T19:22:39Z")
> [@Northeast\_Refugee](#): > > That sounds like very much true: witness [DNC colluding with Ukrainian officials](https://www.grassley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/constituents/2017-07-20%20CEG%20to%20DOJ%20%28Ukraine%20DNC%20FARA%29.pdf) to dig dirt on their political opponents during 2016 elections. Yeah, and note how what we’re wailing on about here is Ukrainian corruption while excusing our own. ---
**Author:** ![Northeast\_Refugee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a183cd/32.png) [@Northeast\_Refugee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northeast_Refugee)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/117 "2019-10-06T19:54:39Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > A man who is a blatantly narcissistic liar who ignores science and promotes hatred is “not fit” to be president of a country, that is obvious. Hm, it’s a bit weird to me to see musings about fitness of this or that person to be a President under “Moderating” tag, but other then that, I’d agree with you. The disdain President Obama showed for things like history (“my grandfather liberated Auschwitz, while somehow managing not to serve in Soviet army”) or geography (somehow discovering numerous additional US states, other then the 50 that actually exists), that can be excused with Barack Hussein being doped out of his mind on choom, during his formative years. However, once he grew up, what cannot be excused is his obvious intellectual laziness and absolute refusal to even read books on things like pre-WW2 history, Munich agreement, etc and the dangers of appeasing dictators. No other explanation can adequately explain him asking President Putin to give him more space, initiating the disastrous “reset” policy, or begging President Putin to stop hacking US elections. ---
**Author:** ![Northeast\_Refugee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a183cd/32.png) [@Northeast\_Refugee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northeast_Refugee)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/118 "2019-10-06T20:01:15Z")
But getting back to the topic here, on one hand we have a sworn testimony, confirming that Prosecutor Shokin was forced out because he was leading wide-ranging corruption probe into Burisma. On the other hand, we got… bupkis. Did Joe Biden, Hunter Biden or anyone else make statements under oath, disputing Prosecutor Shokin description of events? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/119 "2019-10-06T20:06:52Z")
“Of course I’m innocent!” said Charles Manson in his defense. Well, shit, if we have a sworn statement, why should we even pay attention to the piles of evidence to the contrary? ---
**Author:** ![Northeast\_Refugee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a183cd/32.png) [@Northeast\_Refugee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northeast_Refugee)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/120 "2019-10-06T20:12:25Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > “Of course I’m innocent!” said Charles Manson in his defense. > > Well, shit, if we have a sworn statement, why should we even pay attention to the piles of evidence to the contrary? Were any evidence in that pile produced in a court of law and under oath, so that their merits can be evaluated? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964.md?page=7)