# The Hunter Biden Investigation {thread started in 2019}, Hunter Pardoned on December 1, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 28, 2019, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964 "2019-09-28T19:54:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/121 "2019-10-06T20:27:14Z")
> [@Northeast\_Refugee](#): > > Were any evidence in that pile produced in a court of law and under oath, so that their merits can be evaluated? Maybe you should acutally explain what Hunter Biden did wrong that needs to be investigated. For example, [Did Hunter Biden not pay taxes on his income?](https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/10/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html) [Did Hunter Biden commit some kind of self-dealing?](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-foundation-apparently-admits-to-violating-ban-on-self-dealing-new-filing-to-irs-shows/2016/11/22/893f6508-b0a9-11e6-8616-52b15787add0_story.html) [Did Hunter Biden steer government contracts to his own personal interests?](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/09/us/politics/trump-hotel-turnberry.html) [Did Hunter Biden improperly seek income from foreign powers in contravention of ethics requirements?](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/13/us/politics/trump-emoluments-lawsuit.html) [Did Hunter Biden illegally conceal financial information from US investigators?](https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/04/treasury-inspector-general-trump-tax-028830) Seriously, I’m just trying to find out what he’s being accused of beyond [taking a paycheck from an organization with legal woes.](https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/28/us/politics/donald-trump-housing-race.html) ---
**Author:** ![Northeast\_Refugee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a183cd/32.png) [@Northeast\_Refugee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northeast_Refugee)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/122 "2019-10-06T20:54:40Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Maybe you should acutally explain what Hunter Biden did wrong that needs to be investigated. For example, > > [Did Hunter Biden not pay taxes on his income?](https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/10/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html) > > [Did Hunter Biden commit some kind of self-dealing?](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-foundation-apparently-admits-to-violating-ban-on-self-dealing-new-filing-to-irs-shows/2016/11/22/893f6508-b0a9-11e6-8616-52b15787add0_story.html) > > [Did Hunter Biden steer government contracts to his own personal interests?](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/09/us/politics/trump-hotel-turnberry.html) > > [Did Hunter Biden improperly seek income from foreign powers in contravention of ethics requirements?](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/13/us/politics/trump-emoluments-lawsuit.html) > > [Did Hunter Biden illegally conceal financial information from US investigators?](https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/04/treasury-inspector-general-trump-tax-028830) > > Seriously, I’m just trying to find out what he’s being accused of beyond [taking a paycheck from an organization with legal woes.](https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/28/us/politics/donald-trump-housing-race.html) I’m sorry, I went through several of the links that you provided (although, admittedly, the source is NY Times, so, whatever is published should be taken with a shovel of salt), saw that there’s nothing there, but journalistic musings, and dismissed it out of hand, as they should be. To repeat: we have an affidavit from Prosecutor General Shokin, where he swears under oath, that “I was forced out because I was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into Burisma holdings…I assume Burisma…had the support of the US vice-president Joe Biden because his son was on the Board of Directors”. Ca you provide any evidence, given in the court of law and under oath, that contradict sworn testimony of Prosecutor General Shokin? Please refrain from evidence in the form of newspaper musings. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/123 "2019-10-06T21:01:45Z")
> [@Northeast\_Refugee](#): > > I’m sorry, I went through several of the links that you provided… First of all, I don’t believe you did. Second, you didn’t answer the question. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/124 "2019-10-06T21:17:38Z")
> [@Northeast\_Refugee](#): > > I > To repeat: we have an affidavit from Prosecutor General Shokin, where he swears under oath, that “I was forced out because I was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into Burisma holdings…I assume Burisma…had the support of the US vice-president Joe Biden because his son was on the Board of Directors”. Sworn affidavit from a well known corrupt guy who has little to fear by lying on an affidavit. Why does that impress you so much? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/125 "2019-10-06T21:46:59Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Sworn affidavit from a well known corrupt guy who has little to fear by lying on an affidavit. Why does that impress you so much? Because he’s only interested in information that helps Trump. He has shown a complete lack of interest in any information that reflects poorly on Trump. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/126 "2019-10-06T22:02:56Z")
> [@Northeast\_Refugee](#): > > I’m sorry, I went through several of the links that you provided (although, admittedly, the source is NY Times, so, whatever is published should be taken with a shovel of salt), saw that there’s nothing there, but journalistic musings, and dismissed it out of hand, as they should be. > To repeat: we have an affidavit from Prosecutor General Shokin, where he swears under oath, that “I was forced out because I was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into Burisma holdings. **…I assume Burisma** …had the support of the US vice-president Joe Biden because his son was on the Board of Directors”. > > Ca you provide any evidence, given in the court of law and under oath, that contradict sworn testimony of Prosecutor General Shokin? > Please refrain from evidence in the form of newspaper musings. > Thank you. Notice that bolded part there? While he claims he was forced out, he offers only an assumption that it was due to Biden. a fucking assumption. So - thats not evidence - if he had evidence, he would have fucking said so. Also note that this affidavit was provided AFTER Trump’s lawyer went and greased his palms (an assumption, but a fucking good one). now - provide some real evidence beyond conjecture. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/127 "2019-10-06T22:08:12Z")
Again, I’m not interested in whether Burisma is corrupt or not. Thaneros was probably the only company that was more corrupt than the Trump Organization, and Thaneros has James Mattis its board. I have nothing really bad to say or suspect about Mattis. So if someone like Mattis can serve on the Thaneros board and still be a fine American, what exactly do people suspect Hunter Biden of doing wrong? ---
**Author:** ![LAZombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b38774/32.png) [@LAZombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LAZombie)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/128 "2019-10-06T23:50:03Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > The more I read about Hunter Biden, the more I don’t like him. He seems to be cut from the same cloth as the Trump boys in some ways - **drug use** , affairs, privileged career, etc. I searched for drug use by Trump’s sons. I did not even find a rumor that either son has any drug abuse issue remotely similar to Hunter Biden’s widely reported problems. Can you provide a cite? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/129 "2019-10-07T00:01:11Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > I searched for drug use by Trump’s sons. I did not even find a rumor that either son has any drug abuse issue remotely similar to Hunter Biden’s widely reported problems. > > Can you provide a cite? Well, people are talking about it. Of course, this is not about politics. It’s just about doing the right thing, and being tough on crime. I suggest we ask the government of Nigeria to look into drug use and importation by Trump’s sons. Carefully. Very carefully and thoroughly. And we might do well to remind the Nigerians that the US contributes heavily to the “Feed the Future” campaign, giving millions of dollars in food aid to that country. Remind them that they owe us. Be a shame if that aid were to be delayed, right? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/130 "2019-10-07T00:07:01Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > I searched for drug use by Trump’s sons. I did not even find a rumor that either son has any drug abuse issue remotely similar to Hunter Biden’s widely reported problems. > > Can you provide a cite? I should have written addiction rather than drug use. The stories of Eric’s adventures at Georgetown have been retold around these parts, including an incident where pater stormed in while he was trashed at a local party. If you don’t want to believe it, that’s fine. ---
**Author:** ![LAZombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b38774/32.png) [@LAZombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LAZombie)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/131 "2019-10-07T00:13:05Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > I should have written addiction rather than drug use. The stories of Eric’s adventures at Georgetown have been retold around these parts, including an incident where pater stormed in while he was trashed at a local party. > > If you don’t want to believe it, that’s fine. I am respectfully asking for a cite that backs up your claim that either Trump son has an addiction or has a drug abuse issue that is similar to Hunter Biden’s widely reported problems. Thank you in advance. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/132 "2019-10-07T00:21:14Z")
^ This post makes me laugh. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/133 "2019-10-07T01:40:11Z")
> [@Northeast\_Refugee](#): > > Hm, it’s a bit weird to me to see musings about fitness of this or that person to be a President under “Moderating” tag, but other then that, I’d agree with you. > The disdain President Obama showed for things like history (“my grandfather liberated Auschwitz, while somehow managing not to serve in Soviet army”) or geography (somehow discovering numerous additional US states, other then the 50 that actually exists), that can be excused with Barack Hussein being doped out of his mind on choom, during his formative years. > However, once he grew up, what cannot be excused is his obvious intellectual laziness and absolute refusal to even read books on things like pre-WW2 history, Munich agreement, etc and the dangers of appeasing dictators. Speaking of getting one’s facts straight Obama noted that his uncle (not his father) helped liberate a Nazi camp and got the name of the camp wrong. _meh_ He also misspoke on one occasion and said there were 51 states. Unfortunate errors, but hardly in the same category as Trumps current 10,000+ deliberate lies. > [@Northeast\_Refugee](#): > > No other explanation can adequately explain him asking President Putin to give him more space, initiating the disastrous “reset” policy, or begging President Putin to stop hacking US elections. The easier (and more accurate) explanation is that you got your misinformation about Obama from Hannity or one of the other extreme Right wing liars and you have not checked their claims for accuracy. Intellectual laziness? Trump does not even read his own intelligence status reports ([or anything else](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/americas-first-post-text-president/549794/)). Appeasing dictators? Trump is much more likely to do that with Putin, Kim, Duterte, bin Salman, etc. Based on your username and your posting content, I am tempted to ask whether you are posting from Kamchatka or Chukotka or a nearby oblast. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/134 "2019-10-07T01:40:52Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > I am respectfully asking for a cite that backs up your claim that either Trump son has an addiction or has a drug abuse issue that is similar to Hunter Biden’s widely reported problems. > > Thank you in advance. > [@](#): > > [Don Jr.’s] anger expressed itself in other ways, too. “He had a reputation as the kind of guy who would get to drinking and start fights,” says a college acquaintance. “He was a fall-down drunk.”… Eventually, Don stopped drinking and started dressing like his father, a cartoon of a Manhattan capitalist, all pinstripes and wide lapels and pastel satin ties. > **[The Real Story of Donald Trump Jr.](https://www.gq.com/story/real-story-of-donald-trump-jr)** > > Junior's personal life is in shambles, Robert Mueller looms large, and it's never been trickier to be the president's son. So the other son cleaned himself up. My hat is off to anyone who does such things, and I am not being sarcastic. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/135 "2019-10-07T01:55:20Z")
It appears that the _only_ mistake Obama ever made was saying he visited 57 states as that’s the only thing Trump supporters can point to. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/136 "2019-10-07T02:12:26Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > I am respectfully asking for a cite that backs up your claim that either Trump son has an addiction or has a drug abuse issue that is similar to Hunter Biden’s widely reported problems. > > Thank you in advance. Well, people ARE talking about it. So there obviously needs to be a full investigation. This is NOT political. It is about justice. The Law. Goodness. A large investigation needs to be done. Into this alleged drug use. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/137 "2019-10-07T02:52:46Z")
Rudy Giuliani holds up what he claims are three affidavits but is actually a printout of a right-wing blog site… Later in the interview, he reads portions from the blog site printout as if they are from the affidavits. Giuliani is reading from a blog called HopelesslyPartisan dot com, claiming to be affidavits. People think I’m exaggerating when I say they’re trying to prove conspiracy theories from blogs true by repeating them enough. It is actually what The White House’s plan is. > > > Acyn @Acyn Sent from my SM-G935P using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/138 "2019-10-07T03:10:32Z")
[Associated Press](https://twitter.com/AP/status/1180989397019348993): > [@](#): > > BREAKING: As President Trump urged Ukraine’s leaders to investigate his political rival Joe Biden, associates of his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani were looking to profit from the country’s state-run natural gas company, AP sources say. > … > Business associates of Rudy Giuliani, seeking to profit from fuel sales to Ukraine, tried to leverage American influence to replace the CEO of the country’s state-owned natural gas company, two people with knowledge of their plans tell the @AP. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/139 "2019-10-07T03:15:00Z")
Just to reiterate, from Business Insider: > [@](#): > > But by March 2016, Shokin was ousted. Hundreds of Ukrainians had demonstrated in front of the president’s office calling for Shokin to be booted and the Ukrainian parliament voted to accept his resignation. > > For months before that, the US and other countries had pressured for Shokin to be ousted because he didn’t make a concerted effort to fight corruption. Biden, who was spearheading the Obama administration’s Ukraine work, was at the center of these efforts, and threatened to withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees from Ukraine if Shokin wasn’t fired. > > So, it’s true that Biden was among those who pushed for Shokin to be fired as Ukraine’s top prosecutor, but by the time this happened the probe into Burisma was dormant, according to Bloomberg. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964/140 "2019-10-07T07:43:13Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Uh, yeah, question 1 is the idle fun one. Thanks! > > It is such a playground conversation, one I have weekly: > > > [@](#): > > > > Hey, Billy, c’mere. Did you just tell Rob to punch Jim? > > BUT YESTERDAY JIM SAID A BAD WORD AT LUNCH! > > That has nothing to do with you punching him. I might have a separate conversation with him about that, but that doesn’t mean you can punch him. > > WHO TOLD YOU? THEY’RE A TATTLE-TALE! > > Billy, this isn’t about who told me. This is about you punching someone. That’s against the rules. > > JIM SAID YOUR MOM WAS BALD-HEADED THOUGH > > Billy, c’mon. You can’t do things like this. You’re the principal! > [@MEBuckner](#): > > LOL! (As in literal out-loud laughter.) Same here (or it would be, if my wife weren’t sleeping)… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hunter-biden-investigation-thread-started-in-2019-hunter-pardoned-on-december-1-2024/840964.md?page=8)