# The hypocrisy of Fox News vis-a-vis whining about sexism. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 22, 2008, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-fox-news-vis-a-vis-whining-about-sexism/464643 "2008-09-22T05:17:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-fox-news-vis-a-vis-whining-about-sexism/464643/81 "2008-09-23T14:33:26Z")
> [@Sinaijon](#): > > More hypocrosy. By your own words, its not sexist if it’s ‘inclusionary’, only if it’s ‘exclusionary’. Conservatives are inviting her into the tent. **YOU** are the ones trying to keep her out. Because she’s unqualified, not because she’s a woman. There are many women McCain could have chosen who ARE qualified. The fact that he bypassed those women to choose one who looked better in a short skirt was a deeply cynical act of sexism. ---
**Author:** ![A\_shameful\_cracka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ebca7d/32.png) [@A\_shameful\_cracka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_shameful_cracka)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-fox-news-vis-a-vis-whining-about-sexism/464643/82 "2008-09-23T14:46:47Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Isn’t it fortunate she lives in a country that protects her right to make that choice? Do you think Palin would fight to keep that choice legal for other women? Most definitely not. I just rank her above the people who are “No abortions for anyone - except for my daughter or myself if we need one”. I disagree with her views, but since so many people who share her views are hypocrites, it’s kinda refreshing to see someone on that side of the fence who is demonstrably consistent in their beliefs. ---
**Author:** ![Sinaijon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@Sinaijon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaijon)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-fox-news-vis-a-vis-whining-about-sexism/464643/83 "2008-09-23T15:35:00Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Because she’s unqualified, not because she’s a woman. Nice to see you are leading the fight against Affirmative Action. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-fox-news-vis-a-vis-whining-about-sexism/464643/84 "2008-09-23T15:37:26Z")
So, you don’t know anything about Affirmative Action either, huh? Not surprising. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-fox-news-vis-a-vis-whining-about-sexism/464643/85 "2008-09-23T15:41:04Z")
> [@Sinaijon](#): > > Nice to see you are leading the fight against Affirmative Action. Huh? Not liking a political candidate for various reasons is not unreasonable. If that candidate just so happens to be a minority, that does not suddenly make one a bigot. If Palin had been a WASP man, personally I’d still think him unqualified to be VP. It is a laugh that conservatives are crying sexism, though. One needs only to look at how Hillary was treated over the past 16 years to see the hypocrasy. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-fox-news-vis-a-vis-whining-about-sexism/464643/86 "2008-09-23T15:43:35Z")
> [@Sinaijon](#): > > Nice to see you are leading the fight against Affirmative Action. This just proves you believe in the conservative strawman depiction of Affirmative Action. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-fox-news-vis-a-vis-whining-about-sexism/464643/87 "2008-09-23T16:09:25Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > This just proves you believe in the conservative strawman depiction of Affirmative Action. Bingo. He seems to think that affirmative action means putting totally incompetent people in positions just because of their sex/race. ---
**Author:** ![stolichnaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bcef8e/32.png) [@stolichnaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stolichnaya)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-fox-news-vis-a-vis-whining-about-sexism/464643/88 "2008-09-23T16:41:54Z")
No, that is how you staff the department of Justice. Oh wait, you said “race”. ---
**Author:** ![BrainFireBob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e495f1/32.png) [@BrainFireBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainFireBob)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-fox-news-vis-a-vis-whining-about-sexism/464643/89 "2008-09-23T19:31:41Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I used it to refer to her lack of experience, as wll as to her own attempt to claim being a “hockey mom:” and a “PTA mom” as relevant qualifications. Essentially, she IS a dingbat housewife who managed to scam her way into some minor elected offices and now thinks she’s qualified to be POTUS. It’s not a comment on her gender, but on her puny resume. > > The equivalent would be W as a dingbat fratboy with connected dad. Then you’d be advised to consider how it’s coming across to people not already aware of your intent, instead of continuing with it. If your goal is persuasion, and not polarization against your position. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-fox-news-vis-a-vis-whining-about-sexism/464643/90 "2008-09-23T20:06:09Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > **DianaG** , if the self-esteem thing was aimed at me, you are wrong. Kicking DtC’s ass and seeing him miss even the easiest of my jokes, puns and references cannot increase anyone’s self esteem, at least not mine, it wasn’t that difficult. Well, in fairness to **Dio** , he was probably thrown off by the fact that none of your jokes are funny. And that you apparently don’t know what the word “pun” means. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-fox-news-vis-a-vis-whining-about-sexism/464643/91 "2008-09-23T20:16:26Z")
Let’s keep this in perspective by taking an extreme case: [Phyllis Schlafly,](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phyllis_Schlafly) who (1) is a woman and (2) has been engaged in public life since her first Congressional bid in 1952; but nobody could reasonably call her a **feminist!** ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-fox-news-vis-a-vis-whining-about-sexism/464643/92 "2008-09-23T21:55:39Z")
Great Caesar’s Ghost! I wouldn’t want _her_ for President either, vagina or no vagina. ---
**Author:** ![Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4da419/32.png) [@Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gala_Matrix_Fire)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-fox-news-vis-a-vis-whining-about-sexism/464643/93 "2008-09-23T21:57:52Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > Sure. It was also [sexist](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/15/carly-fiorina-criticizes_n_126533.html). Hmm, looks like Carly Fiorina is one more person who doesn’t understand what “sexist” means. I am surprised; I would have thought for sure she’d run into actual sexism in her life. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-fox-news-vis-a-vis-whining-about-sexism/464643/94 "2008-09-24T01:46:40Z")
> [@BrainFireBob](#): > > You’re attempting to play semantic games by removing context. Fact is, it was used as a pejorative. Culturally, that means the interpretation I laid out. _The term is socially loaded in modern America, and there’s no fucking way Dio didn’t know that_, meaning he used it deliberately. And you’re attempting to load a relatively mild descriptive term with derogatory meanings either in to smear Dio or because you think it carries negative connotations. Ya ever think the problem isn’t in the term as much as it’s in your head. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-fox-news-vis-a-vis-whining-about-sexism/464643/95 "2008-09-24T02:52:36Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Well, in fairness to **Dio** , he was probably thrown off by the fact that none of your jokes are funny. And that you apparently don’t know what the word “pun” means. (Mostly) agreed ---
**Author:** ![BrainFireBob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e495f1/32.png) [@BrainFireBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainFireBob)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-fox-news-vis-a-vis-whining-about-sexism/464643/96 "2008-09-24T03:15:42Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > And you’re attempting to load a relatively mild descriptive term with derogatory meanings either in to smear Dio or because you think it carries negative connotations. > > Ya ever think the problem isn’t in the term as much as it’s in your head. Ya ever think I’m not the only one that hears those remarks that way means you’re giving Dio a pass because you happen to agree with his opinions? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-fox-news-vis-a-vis-whining-about-sexism/464643/97 "2008-09-24T03:29:11Z")
A pass for what? ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-fox-news-vis-a-vis-whining-about-sexism/464643/98 "2008-09-24T11:18:41Z")
> [@BrainFireBob](#): > > Ya ever think I’m not the only one that hears those remarks that way means you’re giving Dio a pass because you happen to agree with his opinions? In all honestly, I never think at all. Makes my head hurt less that way and makes your posts easier to understand. I can see where some people object to certain terms, but sexist? No. It’s just using gender appropriate terms in a derrogatory fashion. No more sexist than using terms like “she” and “her.” “Housewife” isn’t sexist at all. Keep trying to make it sexist though. It’s providing me with ever so much amusement. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-fox-news-vis-a-vis-whining-about-sexism/464643/99 "2008-09-24T14:25:27Z")
> [@Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](#): > > Hmm, looks like Carly Fiorina is one more person who doesn’t understand what “sexist” means. I am surprised; I would have thought for sure she’d run into actual sexism in her life. So has Phyllis Schlafly, no doubt. Nevertheless . . . ---
**Author:** ![Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4da419/32.png) [@Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gala_Matrix_Fire)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-fox-news-vis-a-vis-whining-about-sexism/464643/100 "2008-09-24T22:04:15Z")
CNN’s Campbell Brown [calls on McCain campaign to stop the sexist treatment](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLlXxMY2LHI) of Palin and let her talk to the press. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-fox-news-vis-a-vis-whining-about-sexism/464643.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-fox-news-vis-a-vis-whining-about-sexism/464643.md?page=6)