I really think this warrants its own thread. I don’t see one here, so I’ll start one.
Yes, I’m the one who said that we need to let the authorities do their jobs, and figure out what really happened, and by whom. AFAIK, the people on the “WANTED” posters haven’t been located yet.
I just discovered that Renee Good had been previously married to a man who died in 2023, and he was the father of her 7-year-old son. (IDK if they were married at the time of his death.) She had remarried to a woman, who witnessed all of this. The RWNJs are gonna have a field day with that, I fear.
I see there is some worry about protests with advice not to give the authorities any excuses to escalate further. But Trump and Noem have already publicly lied about Good, labelling her a terrorist. Judging by the summary execution and high level defense thereof, I’d say Trump’s regime has all the excuses they need already. I think this is going to get a lot worse before it gets better. Having said that, I really hope I’m wrong.
She was murdered, plain and simple. This is what happens when you give guns to untrained morons who lust for power. The murderer will go unpunished, and likely receive awards and monetary benefits.
This is just the tip of the iceberg. Expect more murders to come.
According to this HuffPost video, one of the people on-scene was a physician who asked to go check her vital signs for a pulse. The agents wouldn’t let him.
In the video, the bystander informs ICE that he’s a physician, and the agent said (audibly heard in the video in the article linked above), “I don’t care.”
Stephen Miller, a senior presidential aide and architect of Trump’s mass deportation strategy, called video he posted of the incident “domestic terrorism.”
I was trying to get what Renee Good was doing before the incident. Was it taking a video of ICE and then her car was maybe idling/in Park astride the two lanes?
For all we know, she was just trying to turn around because they were blocking the street. And because something of note was happening she took a little while longer than normal and was looking out of the driver’s window to see what was going on. It wouldn’t surprise me.
I think it is more helpful to focus on bad ICE policies coming down from the top than on the officers, following bad training, who do what’s predictable after being brushed by fleeing drivers.
The New York Times has good-to-me coverage on this.
If you only block the car from the front, and tell someone to get out of the car, you are asking for them to back up, risking a high speed chase and resulting fatalities even without gunplay.
Okay that makes sense. I was trying to answer my Minnesota nephew’s question about that so appreciate it. He’s six and asks a million simple little questions.
First off - I oppose ICE efforts in general and this incident as strongly as possible. But let’s not pretend that Good was just some innocent bystander who got caught up in the situation.
Yes, perhaps she just happened to be turning her car around. But it is also possible - and I think likely - that she was intentionally protesting and confronting ICE efforts. No, that shouldn’t get her shot. But I think we ought to try to paint a full and clear picture of the actions of everyone involved, not only to figure out exactly what happened here, but also to inform others who wish to oppose ICE/administration efforts in the future.
Also, I wholeheartedly acknowledge that the ICE agents exacerbated - likely created - the situation, by rushing to her car shouting profanities, trying to open her door, and - yes - standing in front/near the front of the car with gun drawn. But I often wonder the extent to which one ought to refuse orders by a uniformed - and armed - LEO. Not to mention, drive a car with a LEO in/near the path of travel. In most cases, I believe the procedure is to document, comply, and then challenge later.
I repeat - I vehemently agree that ICE was in the wrong here. But it troubles me that so many folk are expressing such strong interpretations of this chaotic scene based on the videos I have been able to uncover.
The anti-ICE and anti-administration protestors truly are heroes in my book. They face considerable potential peril - financial/legal/personal harm/even death - related to their actions.
It would be nice if this encouraged greater review of LEOs using potentially lethal tactics IRT non-violent situations/suspects. Not only shooting, but also highspeed chases. And - in this case - standing in front of a car.
The ICE vehicle that came from the left of the video could have pulled in front of the car. I’m no trained LEO, but I would think that wiser than having a person stand in front of the car.
Moreover, even if they just let her drive away, is there any reason to believe ICE could not have tracked down this 37 year old mother based on the vehicle’s plates? Instead, this is just one in a HUGE list of instances in which ICE seems to act in a manner intentionally aimed at creating and exacerbating - rather than defusing - conflict.
I hope to see significant state investigation of and challenges to this incident. How exhausting. How long ago did we invade Venezuela?
Whether in this thread or another, folk have said that the shooter was in no harm. As I view the video, it looks to me as tho his left leg gets clipped by the moving car. Again - he wasn’t seriously injured (tho even a slight bump by a car can hurt/injure). And he shouldn’t have been there in the first place. And he sure shouldn’t have even drawn his gun - looks to me as tho he drew before she started moving forward. But I believe there a many subtleties beyond the black and white descriptions I have seen.
What a disgusting abuse of power. Every ICE agent should be fired. Cosplay Barbie, AKA Kristi Noem, is a piece of shit labelling the victim a domestic terrorist while her body was still warm. Time for her next costume- an orange jumpsuit with a number on the front. Fuck them all.
If ICE tells you to get out of the car, your emotions are going to go sky high and, if there seems to be nothing behind you, you are likely to back up.
And if ICE agents are at the corners of your car, and given you are NOT boxed in, there is high risk your low speed backing up will inadvertently brush an officer. Officer emotions then rocket and your best hope is that when they shoot at you they miss your vital organs – as they have missed seven out of nine times when shooting into cars since September.
When these kind of cases get to a jury, so long as the defense can show an officer was slightly injured, conviction chances are minimal.
The real criminal video, not available, would be a discussion at the highest levels of Homeland Security where a political appointee ordered ICE to start doing car stops, and a competent civil servant chimed in that the officers first need car stop training. The political appointee who barrelled ahead is the one who, in an ideal world, would be convicted as a homicide accessory before the fact.
What happens if the not-boxed-in person of interest backs up and gets away? High speed chase. Googling, I have not found Trump-era ICE high speed chase deaths, but with this kind of policing, they are coming.
Not sure if this should go in here as it is a direct effect of this situation…but federal government officials have:
…fired pepper pellets
… fired gas cannisters
…and psychally moved protestors away from the federal building there…
… all within the last half hour or so. According to CNN.
I’m hearing (probably unconfirmed at this point) that Ms. Good was getting mixed messages from the LEOs, with one yelling – in effect – “get out of the car” and another yelling that she should “get out of here.”
If true, that’s yet another huge issue and factor in her death.
The agent who fired the shots … looked as though he was skeet shooting. He trained his weapon on her and fired multiple rounds as she drove away from the situation.
He also, apparently, was dragged by another “anti-ICE motorist” last June. Methinks this may have rendered him challenged to do the right thing in this situation, this time around.
There are truly no words to describe how repugnant Trump and Noem are for the public statements they made, knowing full well that their version of events was not supported by widely-viewed videos of the incident.
How comfortable they are, continually, in lying to the public is a profoundly regrettable statement about how brainwashed, partisan, and credulous they know their supporters to be.
Trump and Noem has already rendered judgement on all of this. It doesn’t matter what the videos show. It doesn’t matter what the eyewitnesses state. It doesn’t matter what any state investigations reveal. ICE is going to have to tailor their entire investigation so that it supports Trump and Noem. And that’s that.
The real issue is what is America going to do about all of this. When is the tipping point? Is this it? I think not.
