She was already guily of the crime of obstruction, by interfering with an on going, legal law enforcement action. Blocking the road. ICE is a legal law enforcement agency by the way, even if you don’t like it. By refusing the orders to stop and get out of her car she was guilty of a second count of obstruction. These are minor things, get you a ticket. Videos clearly show her car in reverse at first, and then shifting into forward and hitting the ICE LEO in front of her car. Assault on a LEO, who shot her through the front windshield as he was being hit and foot run over. They are allowed to do that, defending against assault.
You can disagree with police actions, but you DO need to obey commands that you are given, the rest is for courts to decide, that is why we have courts. You stop, obey, and fight it in court. You don’t win arguing by the side of the road, many people have a bad day finding that out.
I am not saying that this was an appropriate action by the LEO who shot her. I do not think it was justified and they should have let her just drive off and cite her later. They could just drive to her home and arrest her. But she was in the wrong.
Then why doesn’t DHS make an example of the other two ICE agents involved for not meeting deadly force with deadly force? If their partner/colleague was in iminent mortal danger, weren’t they obligated to draw and fire on the driver?
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The law, posted above, doesn’t appear to support that position.
One agent told her to leave. She tried to leave, turning the wheel to avoid another agent, who shot her, when she posed no threat to anyone. That agent increased the danger to everyone by rendering the vehicle out of control (i.e. killing the driver).
I was not defending the actions of the LEO in any way. I was trying to point out how her own actions contributed to this outcome. Disobeying police instrictions is usually a bad idea.
It is impossible to have discussion about anything on this board any longer, the derangement is just too strong.
Yes, disobeying police (or even ICE thug) instructions is usually a bad idea. In this case, different agents gave her conflicting instructions. What was she supposed to do? ISTM that she, rather wisely, thought these were dangerous men who might mean to kill her (and she was proved right), so she followed the directions of the agent who told her to leave. Unfortunately, while trying to follow those instructions, another agent killed her.
According to a New York Times article I posted earlier, vehicle stops are a mostly new duty for ICE that they were not traditionally trained for. As for the new trainees, here’s how seriously training is being taken:
In a normal presidential administration, I doubt the shooter(s) would be put on trial. Even the slightest finding of a injury from being brushed by the car makes that unlikely. The focus would be on how to stop this from happening again. And Trump has made clear his administration has no interest in that. Tom Homan did first say there would be an investigation and then had to walk it back because his bosses are fine with shooting.
This is the ninth time since September that ICE agents have shot into a moving vehicle. It’s impossible to give a precise number, but based on some googling, it appears to me that ICE agents are, since September 2025, somewhere between 20 and 50 times more likely to shoot into a moving vehicle than NYPD officers. That’s a pattern.
As for it being stupid to back up after police tell you to get out of the car, there is a lot of emotion going on on both sides. That’s why competent police forces train officers to box in a car before asking the driver to get out.
Kristi Noem said that her people were stuck on the street because [one of] their vehicles had no traction:
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In a detailing of what the DHS says happened Wednesday morning, Noem said that around 10:30 a.m., one of her agency’s vehicles became stuck in the snow. Law enforcement agents were attempting to push the vehicle out of the snow, Noem said, when a “mob of agitators” began blocking them in and shouting at them.
Oddly, Ms. Good’s Honda Pilot seemed to ably gain purchase despite the bullet(s) in her head.
Which should inspire significant confidence in the residents of Greenland, if nothing else.
@Happy_Lendervedder and others, let’s avoid attacking Kristi Noem’s appearance and more on attacking their response to the event. This and a few other comments I take as gallows humor, but they’re better suited to the Pit than P&E. Note - I mentioned @Happy_Lendervedder because they seemed to be the first that went on that topic, but this guidance applies to all. No warnings though.
On another note -
@Bullitt, @Jack_Batty, @madmonk28 you’ve moved towards attacking the poster, not the posts. I appreciate that calmer heads have tried to bring this back, and I thank @Bullitt and @Atamasama for taking a step back from doing so. Just a reminder to all to keep your rebuttals from getting personal.
Again, no warnings, but let’s not have any more of this here.
But more than that, it’s one thing to think that she made mistakes and didn’t handle the situation well. But it’s another thing to decide that is the important point to share with others. You explicitly said “she was in the wrong.”
All the mistakes that were made – approaching the car from the front, conflicting commands, shooting when he was no longer in front of the car, and going back to the lack of training for agents and the reason they were there – all those mistakes, and you focused on the one made by a terrified woman.
Bullshit. One agent told her to leave. She tried to leave, turning the wheel to avoid another agent. And that agent shot her, for trying to obey the instructions of the first agent. The videos are there for all to see. The administration’s lies don’t erase what’s recorded forever.
All that proves is that this guy is a dumb-ass, who does not have the common sense to get out of the way of a moving vehicle, and should have not been anywhere near a loaded gun.
Sure sure. Next stop is that the actions of a guy walking down the sidewalk that ICE shoots contributed to this outcome, because he should have been hiding in his basement, cowering in fear, like the administration wants.