# The ICE shootings in Minneapolis (1/7/2026) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2026, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461 "2026-01-08T05:32:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/223 "2026-01-09T22:07:40Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > > [@griffin1977](#): > > > > I concur with several lawyers I’ve read online who say any competent defense lawyer should be looking for whatever plea deal they can get short of Life Without Parole. > > The case is being handled by this compromised FBI, headed by incompetent, lying, sycophantic Kash Patel. The shooter will never face any charges. The last sentence is correct – the murderer will never face charges. But on the preceding comment, the FBI is not “compromised” – that’s just not the right word. The FBI is now simply a tool of a rogue regime employing unconstitutional policies to move it closer to dictatorship. The concept of “justice” is entirely superseded by ideological alignment with the Orange One, and loyalty to him, and absolutely nothing else. This is exactly why Minnesota authorities are being blocked from investigating this case. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/224 "2026-01-09T22:07:45Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Nothing is simple, just because it’s recorded on camera. Except it really is. An unarmed woman was shot and killed, though the side door of her car. The murder and what led up to it was captured in full from several angles. There are no extenuating circumstances that could possibly make that not murder. She could literally have been leaving an elementary school having killed all the children in it, and it wouldn’t make it any less murder. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/225 "2026-01-09T22:08:40Z")
> [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > I was not defending the actions of the LEO in any way. I was trying to point out how her own actions contributed to this outcome. Disobeying police instrictions is usually a bad idea. From my post #[211](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shooting-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/211), “ICE officers have no authority to search a US citizen or arrest her (unless there’s probable cause to believe she’s harboring undocumented individuals, not a contention here). A woman surrounded by masked, armed men who have no law enforcement authority over her has every right to try to escape.” I would not want to get out of the car. They haul you in, and if you’re lucky, you might get released the same day. If they wanted her to move, why did he demand she get out of the car? Citizens have every legal, constitutional right to observe, record, and protest, without getting their brains blown out. Implying she was contributing to her own murder is way off base. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/226 "2026-01-09T22:10:44Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > The last sentence is correct – the murderer will never face charges. He will never face federal charges under the current administration (or likely a future one as he’ll almost certainly receive a presidential pardon). He will likely face state charges. They may or not succeed but the DA would not launch an investigation (in current political environment) if they did not intend to press charges. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/227 "2026-01-09T22:13:50Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > After the _Access Hollywood_ (ie, “Grab 'em by the p\*\*\*\*”) tape was made public, a significant number of Republicans simply said, "I’m not going to try to defend the indefensible. They still voted for him, though. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/228 "2026-01-09T22:14:08Z")
> [@irae](#): > > ELI5 how those things are mutually exclusive? TIA Well, it is _possible_ that they are both true. I’m just saying that I have heard different information from different people. It’s a reply to the person who said that someone could have looked up the information for himself. Answer - no, because there are contradictory versions out there. And also to the person who said that we have a full clear picture of what happened. Again no. Details like why she was in a particular place at a particular time matter in a murder trial. To be clear, I’m sure it was murder and the persons responsible, that is all the agents that attacked her vehicle, should be prosecuted. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/229 "2026-01-09T22:21:00Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Minnesota authorities are being blocked from investigating this case They are being blocked from the federal investigation, the murder was caught on tape in front of inumerable witnesses, the murderers own phone recorded him calling the victim a “fucking bitch” after murdering her. It doesn’t take all that much investigating. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/230 "2026-01-09T22:22:33Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > It doesn’t take all that much investigating. If anything, I suspect the federal noncooperation just accelerates the state investigation, which would not be as urgent otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/231 "2026-01-09T22:25:17Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > why she was in a particular place at a particular time matter in a murder trial No they don’t. Not in the slightest. Why _the accused_ was in a particular place at a particular time might matter (but not all that much in a case where the accused is recorded murdering the victim and then recorded calling her “fucking bitch” after shooting her in the head). But why the victim was there doesn’t matter in the slightest. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/232 "2026-01-09T22:28:13Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > He will never face federal charges under the current administration (or likely a future one as he’ll almost certainly receive a presidential pardon). He will likely face state charges. I’m not sure about state charges being “likely”, but yes, that may happen. But there’s also the question of immunity of federal agents. JD asserted that they have “absolute immunity”, but, as always, he’s wrong, just as he as about everything. They do not. But they do have an extraordinary degree of protection and the immunity situation is nuanced and based on determinations of whether the agent’s actions were authorized under federal law and necessary. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/233 "2026-01-09T22:29:09Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > If anything, I suspect the federal noncooperation just accelerates the state investigation, which would not be as urgent otherwise Yes thats how I interpret the statement the state officials made about the FBI blocking them (especially as they made clear they would happily cooperate if the FBI stoped blocking them). They were justifying starting their own investigation. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/234 "2026-01-09T22:33:09Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > But there’s also the question of immunity of federal agents. As described in the link above it only applies if they were carrying out “[necessary and proper](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2026/01/is-minneapolis-ice-shooter-immune-state-prosecution-supreme-court.html)” duties as a federal officer. Given the DHS’ own policies say they can’t shoot at a moving vehicle, that seems very much not the case. A lot will depend on the judge of course, as we’ve all learned in the last couple of years ☹ But it think it’s likely he will get charged. No guarantee of a conviction despite the overwhelming evidence ☹ ---
**Author:** ![3AxisCtrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/ecd19e/32.png) [@3AxisCtrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3AxisCtrl)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/235 "2026-01-09T23:04:29Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > An unarmed woman was shot and killed, though the side door of her car. The first - reportedly fatal - shot was fired through the windshield of the car. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/236 "2026-01-09T23:14:41Z")
> [@3AxisCtrl](#): > > The first - reportedly fatal - shot was fired through the windshield of the car. Which makes sense… The first shot was as she was traveling away from the officer, but not before she was totally past him. He was off to the side but still in front of the vehicle, with it angled away from him. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/237 "2026-01-09T23:30:36Z")
> [@3AxisCtrl](#): > > The first - reportedly fatal - shot was fired through the windshield of the car. There is absolutely no way, short of an autopsy (maybe) to determine that given there were three shots fired almost simultaneously. Also IANAL but I don’t think it matters in these circumstances (again where all three shots were fired within a second or less). The person that fired the second and third shots is just as guilty of murder as the one who fired the first. Even if you can somehow show the first shot was ultimately the fatal one. Finally a murder case based on the first shot alone is only remotely dubious in the context of a cop in front of an American jury. It’s murder too, just very slightly less slam dunk. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/238 "2026-01-09T23:34:46Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > The person that fired the second and third shots is just as guilty of murder as the one who fired the first. Even if you can somehow show the first shot was ultimately the fatal one. Yes, as a general principle, but in this case all three shots were taken by one shooter. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/239 "2026-01-09T23:35:51Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > The person that fired the second and third shots is just as guilty of murder as the one who fired the first. Didn’t the same person fire all three? And, BTW, do I understand that we are not allowed to say his actual name? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/240 "2026-01-09T23:38:26Z")
The name is public knowledge. His address, what was posted and deleted since it violates our rules, is not. > [@Doxxing of ICE shooter?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doxxing-of-ice-shooter/1026521): > > In the thread about murder of Renee Nicole Good, there’s a mod warning: I don’t know what was in the cornfielded posts. However, multiple reputable news organizations, including NPR, have reported on the shooter’s identity. Are we allowed to discuss, by name, a person accused of murder? Was there something in the cornfielded posts beyond an identification of the killer behind the mask? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/241 "2026-01-09T23:39:41Z")
Name is fine. Front page news. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/242 "2026-01-09T23:43:09Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Didn’t the same person fire all three? Yup and that person is guilty of murder regardless of whether the first shot is murder or not. The second two are. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461.md?page=13)