# The ICE shootings in Minneapolis (1/7/2026) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2026, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461 "2026-01-08T05:32:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/283 "2026-01-10T06:01:03Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > But the second and third shots are cut and dried. There is no training to my knowledge that involves taking a single shot and then making a determination if it was successful. If an officer is confronted with a vehicle launching toward them that puts them in imminent danger. The response will be with multiple shots quickly grouped together in a pattern that will likely hit the suspect. Which is what happened. I don’t understand why she chose to launch her car at an officer after being told to get out of the car. Maybe it was because her wife repeatedly yelled at her to drive. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/284 "2026-01-10T06:06:39Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I don’t understand why she chose to launch her car at an officer after being told to get out of the car. She didn’t “launch” or “at”. > [@Magiver](#): > > Maybe it was because her wife repeatedly yelled at her to drive. Maybe it’s because ICE has a habit of “arresting” and illegally holding in custody people that are not undocumented aliens. (I wouldn’t get out of the car if ICE ordered me to.) ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/285 "2026-01-10T06:10:14Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > There is no training to my knowledge that involves taking a single shot and then making a determination if it was successful. If an officer is confronted with a vehicle launching toward them that puts them in imminent danger. The response will be with multiple shots quickly grouped together in a pattern that will likely hit the suspect. Which is what happened. That’s utterly irrelevant. That was murder whether he was trained to commit murder or not has no bearing on the law. When those shots were fired there was no imminent thread, the law is quite clear. If there is no imminent threat it’s not self defense it’s murder The was murder carried out in broad daylight, on video, with witnesses. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/286 "2026-01-10T06:15:25Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > When those shots were fired there was no imminent thread, the law is quite clear. Even if there was an imminent threat he put himself in it in violation of DHS guidelines. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/287 "2026-01-10T06:23:11Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > . If an officer is confronted with a vehicle launching toward them that puts them in imminent danger Even if that was the case (which is a very very dubious assertion) it in no way means shooting the driver is a reasonable way to avert that danger. In that situation it clearly wasn’t. Shooting the driver was not “necessary to avert death or great bodily harm” so it’s not self defense. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/288 "2026-01-10T07:08:42Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I don’t understand why she chose to launch her car at an officer after being told to get out of the car. I don’t understand why she chose to activate her lycanthropic powers and transform into a werewolf. Clearly, any competent law enforcement official would recognize that a slavering werewolf represents imminent danger to the community and would be justified in taking action in response. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/289 "2026-01-10T07:56:40Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > I don’t understand why she chose to activate her lycanthropic powers and transform into a werewolf. Clearly, any competent law enforcement official would recognize that a slavering werewolf represents imminent danger to the community and would be justified in taking action in response. You forgot to append /s to that. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/290 "2026-01-10T08:02:07Z")
Hey, if he can post fiction, I can post fiction in response. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/291 "2026-01-10T08:02:10Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > Even if that was the case (which is a very very dubious assertion) it in no way means shooting the driver is a reasonable way to avert that danger. What is the assumption an office supposed to make when confronted with someone driving at them while ignoring instructions to get out of the car? Jump out of the way and let the driver try to hit another agent? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/292 "2026-01-10T08:45:05Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > What is the assumption an office supposed to make when confronted with someone driving at them while ignoring instructions to get out of the car? I don’t know. Do you think the Department of Justice’s _Policy On Use Of Force_ might give us any guidance? > [@Magiver](#): > > Jump out of the way and let the driver try to hit another agent? She didn’t try to hit any agent. ---
**Author:** ![Ancient\_Nerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ed655f/32.png) [@Ancient\_Nerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ancient_Nerd)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/293 "2026-01-10T08:51:17Z")
We can no longer trust law enforcement. Before el donald, if you were arrested but went quietly, you could probably get yourself bailed out in a few hours and count on telling your side at a trial. Now, getting arrested means that you could disappear into some hell-hole thousands of miles away for months on end. In this new world created by the orange one, it can make sense to try to escape when an officer tries to detain you. This is the reality of secret police. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 9:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/294 "2026-01-10T09:02:23Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > She didn’t try to hit any agent. How does the agent know her intent? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/295 "2026-01-10T09:24:49Z")
Her last words were “I’m not mad at you”. ---
**Author:** ![Ancient\_Nerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ed655f/32.png) [@Ancient\_Nerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ancient_Nerd)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/296 "2026-01-10T09:26:44Z")
In every police shooting case you hear about how LEO’s are faced with split-second life or death decisions. They are supposed to be trained in how to deal with those but, we should be careful to about second guessing the officer. We should put ourselves in his shoes. It was mentioned somewhere that the one who shot her had been in ICE or the border patrol or something since the Obama administration. Suppose that, until a year ago, his work had not been real exciting. He had the training but never used it and basically forgot. When el donald starts his second term, it all changes. Our LEO is no longer deep in the minutia of the different kind of visas. Due process is out the window. Suddenly, his job is to be a fascist thug. He doesn’t really have the instincts to deal with those SSLDD’s. The car is headed his way and he just reacts. He has to do something and chooses wrong. Competence is carefully avoided. A refresher in the training for use of force and traffic stops is difficult to even ask for and even harder to get. They needed big bodies in masks ASAP. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/297 "2026-01-10T09:46:38Z")
> [@Ancient\_Nerd](#): > > In every police shooting case you hear about how LEO’s are faced with split-second life or death decisions. They are supposed to be trained in how to deal with those but, we should be careful to about second guessing the officer. We should put ourselves in his shoes. Of course, _in reality_ US police are _trained_ \* to be violent and paranoid thugs who casually kill people. And whose job isn’t even especially dangerous. The nonsense about having to make “split-second life or death” decisions is just their excuse for killing people “just in case”. - Literally, many are trained in Israel by the same people keeping a boot on the Palestinians, or by imported Israeli occupation troops. They are taught to look at the public as the _enemy._ ---
**Author:** ![LouMa](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/louma/32/19472_2.png) [@LouMa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouMa)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/298 "2026-01-10T10:59:56Z")
Yesterday, the NYT published a statement by Vance saying that ICE agents are immune. I don’t know exactly what that means in the US. As I understand it, there will be no legal review of the situation and the perpetrator will not face prosecution. How will the other ICE agents understand this? How will they behave, for example, towards demonstrators? And how will they behave towards the people who are being deported? Knowing that you are immune means that you will not be held accountable for your actions. That’s how it is in Russia…and in Iran. Now in the US too? How will this continue? And is there really no one in the GOP who will take action against this? ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/299 "2026-01-10T12:41:04Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > To be clear, I’m sure it was murder Not to pick on this poster, but I welcome all of you legal experts clarifying which of the following it was. > **[Sec. 609.185 MN Statutes](https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.185)** > **[Sec. 609.19 MN Statutes](https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.19)** > **[Sec. 609.195 MN Statutes](https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.195)** > **[Sec. 609.20 MN Statutes](https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.20)** > **[Sec. 609.205 MN Statutes](https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.205)** Just seeing as how you are all experts in the law and in command of all the relevant facts… ---
**Author:** ![yendis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ed8c4c/32.png) [@yendis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yendis)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/300 "2026-01-10T12:48:27Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > Just seeing as how you are all experts in the law and in command of all the relevant facts… What additional facts could be relevant? What could this woman possibly have done to deserve to summary execution by somebody so terrified they managed to hold a cellphone and record video during the encounter. When, exactly, **Dinsdale** will you accept that there are crimes being committed by government employees as a means of oppressing people in the US. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/301 "2026-01-10T13:03:25Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > clarifying which of the following I’ll take 609.185 The officer spent time positioning himself for the clear shot at an unarmed citizen who posed no threat to himself or others. Then showing intent he filmed the act of murdering the citizen. Not a legal opinion but a good start. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/302 "2026-01-10T13:04:08Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > How does the agent know her intent? Are you serious? Yesterday, I got in my car and drove to my kid’s basketball game. It’s amazing the cops didn’t pull me over, because obviously my intent was to drive through the school doors and down the hallway into the gym, crushing innocent children all the way! Stupid, incompetent cops. How dare they just let me _drive down the street._ (And, to answer your specific question, she was executing a three-point turn, obviously to drive AWAY from the officers, while her wife was loudly advising her to drive AWAY from the officers, moments after she told the murderer that she meant no harm.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461.md?page=16)