# The ICE shootings in Minneapolis (1/7/2026) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2026, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461 "2026-01-08T05:32:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/349 "2026-01-10T20:00:46Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I’ve been pulled over a fair number of times in over 50+ years of driving. Some with an officer standing in front of my car. The first thing I did was put the car in park and turn the engine off. When asked to get out of the car I got out of the car. Sometimes I got a ticket. > > YMMV I’m 70 and cannot remember being asked to get out of my car. In recent years and decades (sorry, cannot narrow it down further), I see on the side of the road, much more frequently, a stopped car boxed in at either end by a police vehicle. This is per modern police training to box in a car, before asking the driver to get out, so as to reduce chances of getting into a high speed chase. This is the training I have read ICE agents did NOT get before being tasked to do car stops last year. As a result we have nine instances of ICE officers shooting into moving vehicles since September. As for whether Renee Nicole Good was given contradictory direction as to stay in the car or get out, here is what [public radio reported](https://www.wglt.org/2026-01-08/what-we-know-one-day-after-the-killing-of-renee-good-by-an-ice-agent-in-minneapolis): > [@](#): > > As other ICE vehicles arrived, so did protesters, a witness named Caitlin Callenson [told member station MPR](https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/01/08/questions-follow-after-ice-agent-kills-renee-good-in-minneapolis). > > **How:** Callenson, who recorded a video of the incident, told MPR that agents gave Good conflicting orders: One agent told her to drive away while another told her to get out of her SUV, Callenson said. If the eyewitness is correct, and if her video is also valid, the order to drive away was given before the order to get out. How far before? We don’t know. It could have been a lot before, or it could have been a second or two. Based on what I read and see here and elsewhere, it is horrible that administration officials are calling the victim a domestic terrorist. They demonstrate zero desire to learn from the tragedy so it does not happen again. A rush to judgement against Noem and Trump is justified. A rush to judgment against the officer is, in my view, a mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/350 "2026-01-10T20:04:50Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > > > [Renee Good killed by ICE agent in Minneapolis | MPR News](https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/01/07/shooting-south-minneapolis-ice-agents-federal-operation) > > The video you linked to shows an officer telling her to get out of the car. > > [In this video](https://www.facebook.com/NYPost/videos/renee-nicole-goods-wife-screams-drive-baby-drive-just-seconds-before-ice-agent-s/909033314882081/) Her wife can be heard yelling “drive baby drive”. In the short video from [iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii) there is no time stamp but you can clearly hear ICE agents yelling “get out of the car” “get out of the fucking car”. in the video I posted you can year it at 25 seconds. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/351 "2026-01-10T20:09:14Z")
An agent told her to leave. AND her wife told her to leave. Those things are not in conflict. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/352 "2026-01-10T20:15:10Z")
> [@Meatwater](#): > > In times of active war, military service members could not get away with acting like these buffoons. ICE is being staffed by people who couldn’t hack it in the military, or a real police force, because they’re desperate for bodies and they’re taking the equivalent of McNamara’s Morons as long as they can spout the right catch phrases. > **[Project 100,000](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_100,000)** > > Project 100,000, also known as McNamara's 100,000, McNamara's Folly, McNamara's Morons, and McNamara's Misfits, was a controversial 1960s program by the United States Department of Defense (DoD) to recruit soldiers who would previously have been below military mental or medical standards. Project 100,000 was initiated by Defense Secretary Robert McNamara in October 1966 to meet the escalating workforce requirements of the U.S. government's involvement in the Vietnam War. According to Hamilt At va... ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/353 "2026-01-10T20:15:11Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > An agent told her to leave. AND her wife told her to leave. Those things are not in conflict. I haven’t seen a video confirming this statement. If they were in fact told to leave then they clearly ignored it. Her wife is shown videoing the officer. There is no conflict in the video’s I’ve linked that she was told to get out of the car. That was her last instructions from the Agents. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/354 "2026-01-10T20:16:31Z")
And as we all know, the penalty for not immediately following any instruction given by an LEO is summary execution, right? ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/355 "2026-01-10T20:19:47Z")
And as has been previously pointed out in this thread, ICE has no authority to search US citizens or arrest them, unless there’s probable cause to believe they’re harboring undocumented individuals. To my mind that means a citizen is well within their rights to leave the area when confronted by ICE. This is not the same as a traffic stop by an LEO. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/356 "2026-01-10T20:21:23Z")
They didn’t ignore it - they tried to leave. Remember? The wife saying to go? ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/357 "2026-01-10T20:23:26Z")
Two words come to mind: bottom, barrel: > **[ICE is struggling to hire officers — even after lowering its standards](https://www.ms.now/opinion/msnbc-opinion/ice-hiring-standards-dhs-immigration-police-rcna239656)** > > DHS is spending millions of dollars on an aggressive television ad campaign targeting local police officers — but it's not getting nearly enough applicants. ETA: also… > **[Some new ICE recruits have shown up to training without full vetting](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/new-ice-recruits-showed-training-full-vetting-rcna238739)** > > The recruits have had criminal backgrounds or failed drug tests or were unable to meet physical or academic standards, raising concerns about the agency’s rush to hire immigration officers, sources told NBC News. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/358 "2026-01-10T20:25:22Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > And as we all know, the penalty for not immediately following any instruction given by an LEO is summary execution, right? Hitting an officer with a vehicle comes under self defense. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/359 "2026-01-10T20:28:11Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > They didn’t ignore it - they tried to leave. Remember? The wife saying to go? The wife standing outside of the car? By default they weren’t leaving because you can see the verbal exchange Good and her wife were engaged in. They clearly were not leaving at the time Good was instructed to get out of the car. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/360 "2026-01-10T20:28:13Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Hitting an officer with a vehicle Which didn’t happen and wasn’t going to happen. And even if it was, a much more effective means of self-defense would have been _not standing in front of a moving vehicle._ ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/361 "2026-01-10T20:30:57Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > in the video I posted you can year it at 25 seconds. I looked at your video and if it picked up all the audio, any order – heard by an eyewitness – to drive away was given at least 20 seconds before the order to get out of the car. The eyewitness needs to be asked about this. The audio may need enhancement. Is audio-video evidence better than eyewitness testimony? Sure. But the investigation, which Tom Homan said would happen and then was overruled on, should consider all possibilities. These videos could be of value in police training. Show the videos and then ask the cadets, based on what they already learned, what was done wrong. There are many items to discuss. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/362 "2026-01-10T20:32:46Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > Two words come to mind: bottom, barrel: It’s difficult to get trainees when there is a politically motivated campaign to harass them. ICE has been around in 2002 but suddenly deporting illegal aliens is political. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/363 "2026-01-10T20:36:58Z")
1. Law enforcement – like military – has always been a job with known dangers. “Harassment” sounds a bit snowflake-y to me; 2. “… deporting aliens is political” is a _profoundly_ reductive statement, ignoring an innumerable number of incredibly relevant issues. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/364 "2026-01-10T20:37:34Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > It’s difficult to get trainees when there is a politically motivated campaign to harass them. Good. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/365 "2026-01-10T20:41:48Z")
They were leaving and they left – her wife got back into the car and they tried to leave. They ignored the instruction from the murderer, likely because they were afraid if they stayed he would murder them. This fear was proven legitimate – he did indeed commit murder, despite never being in any significant danger. The murderer, in fact, increased the danger to everyone by shooting her and thus causing the vehicle to lose control. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/366 "2026-01-10T20:42:05Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > I looked at your video and if it picked up all the audio, any order – heard by an eyewitness – to drive away was given at least 20 seconds before the order to get out of the car. So your premise is that a protestor on the sidewalk yelling for her to leave would be confused with an Agent close by yelling at her to exit the vehicle? All this while she is TALKING to an agent as well as her wife. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/367 "2026-01-10T20:45:21Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Hitting an officer with a vehicle comes under self defense. So does turning into a werewolf. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/368 "2026-01-10T20:45:40Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > So your premise is that a protestor on the sidewalk yelling for her to leave would be confused with an Agent close by yelling at her to exit the vehicle? Is it possible that ICE agents from the first car, that she waved through, were barking orders from the PASSENGER side of the vehicle? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461.md?page=19)