# The ICE shootings in Minneapolis (1/7/2026) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2026, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461 "2026-01-08T05:32:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/369 "2026-01-10T20:46:47Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > So your premise is that a protestor on the sidewalk yelling for her to leave would be confused with an Agent close by yelling at her to exit the vehicle? All this while she is TALKING to an agent as well as her wife. Assuming, _arguendo,_ that all of that were true, Ms. Good _still_ didn’t kill anybody. The ICE agent, Jonathan ~~Harris~~ Ross, OTOH, sure did. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/370 "2026-01-10T20:48:44Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Hitting an officer with a vehicle comes under self defense. Firing at the driver of a moving vehicle to prevent it from hitting you is not self defense. Approaching a vehicle on foot from the front is not proper police procedure. Firing at a vehicle leaving even if it’s against police orders is not federal protocol. Walking in front of a vehicle while shooting video on your phone, with your other hand on your gun seems like you’re hoping for a viral video, not law and order. Continuing to fire at the driver through her side window after you’re clearly 100% in no danger of being hit, then calling the woman you just killed a fucking bitch shows this wasn’t an act of self-defense but rage. ---
**Author:** ![Meatwater](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meatwater/32/20074_2.png) [@Meatwater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatwater)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/371 "2026-01-10T20:50:12Z")
I didn’t know about _this_ but I did know that these wannabe war-criminals were just dejected incels looking for another way to federally arm themselves. I do wonder would it be considered amoral to intentionally join ICE just to be bad at it? ‘Oh no another one got away’ ‘Sorry I lost the paperwork’ With express intentions of slowing the war cogs,.. a type of malicious compliance? They are already bumbling idiots but they are evil idiots.. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/372 "2026-01-10T20:50:13Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > They were leaving and they left – her wife got back into the car and they tried to leave. What video are you watching. Her wife did not get into the car. She was yelling are her to drive away KNOWING she was told to get out of the car. If she shut the vehicle down and exited instead of hitting an officer who she could clearly see was in front of her then nothing would have happened except possibly a court summons. This is what stupid got her. She was free to protest ICE until the cows came home but instead she hit a police officer after being told to get out of the car. This is what the video showed. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/373 "2026-01-10T20:51:34Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > This is what stupid got her. At the grocery store, last week, a lady who was paying no attention ran over my foot with her shopping cart. Because I was wearing flip-flops it hurt like heck. Now tell me: should I have followed her out to the parking lot and beaten her brains in with a baseball bat? Because that’s what you sound like when you _so abjectly_ blame the victims in these stories. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/374 "2026-01-10T20:52:22Z")
Out of curiosity, how did the cell phone video already end up online? Did the ice agent post it himself? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/375 "2026-01-10T20:53:12Z")
> [@Meatwater](#): > > I didn’t know about _this_ but I did know that these wannabe war-criminals were just dejected incels looking for another way to federally arm themselves. The Daily Mail (which is usually a trash publication but apparently did some real journalism for once) did a pretty good article about the types of recruits ICE has been getting lately. > **[Bombshell Daily Mail investigation reveals chaos inside ICE hiring](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15345295/ICE-campaign-hire-deportation-officers-unfit-violent-illiterate.html)** > > ICE recruits with no experience are being fast-tracked into the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, where instructors are astounded at their incompetence. > We have people failing open-book tests and we have folks that can barely read or write English,’ one Department of Homeland Security (DHS) official told the Daily Mail. > > ‘We even had a 469-lb man sent to the academy whose own doctor certified him not at all fit for any physical activity.’ > > Insiders say the vetting process has been so rushed that officials didn’t even wait for drug test results to come back before hiring recruits and flying them off to Georgia, only to discover afterward that tests came back positive… > > In one shocking incident, they were left shaking their heads when one student asked to be excused from class so he could attend a court date on a gun charge. > > Other recruits were even discovered to have tattoos associated with gangs and white supremacists when they stripped off their shirts during workouts… > > One recruit, 29-year-old Darien Coleman, was arrested by county police for allegedly exploding at a FLETC bus driver and smashing his phone, according to records obtained by the Daily Mail. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/376 "2026-01-10T20:53:33Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Hitting an officer with a vehicle comes under self defense No it doesn’t. Hitting an officer with your car does not mean the officer can execute you in retaliation. That’s not how self defense works. You can **only** use deadly force to **avert** serious harm or death. Even with the with the most cop-friendly “thin blue line” interpretation of that video, nothing, absolutely nothing, was averted by executing the driver of that car. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/377 "2026-01-10T20:54:36Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > She was free to protest ICE until the cows came home but instead she hit a police officer after being told to get out of the car. No police officer was ever “hit”. Also, shooting the driver of a car right in front of you is a piss-poor way to defend yourself, because, AS THE VIDEO SHOWS, that person’s dead weight is gonna come down on the gas pedal and send them flying right at you (if there was even anyone in her path, which there wasn’t, because SHE WASN’T TRYING TO HIT ANYONE). ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/378 "2026-01-10T20:56:20Z")
@Magiver of the few people who’ve opined on this subject, and who tend to come down more on the side of the ICE officer, AFAICT, exactly none of them were aware of the DOJ policy applicable here. Are you? > [@The ICE shooting in Minneapolis (1/7/2026)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shooting-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/28): > > On this point, official Department of Justice policy (document 1-16.200, item A-2, last updated in 2022) on use of force might be of interest: Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles. Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless: (1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or (2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physica… ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/379 "2026-01-10T20:56:52Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > . . . calling the woman you just killed a fucking bitch shows this wasn’t an act of self-defense but rage. It is evidence, yes. Are we sure which agent said that? ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/380 "2026-01-10T20:57:15Z")
Reality check: T + 0: Live woman, live dog and stuffed toys in car. Armed, masked, unidentified individual pointing weapon at woman and videoing activity outside car. T + 3S: Dead woman, live dog and stuffed toys in car. Armed, masked, unidentified individual with smoking weapon outside car. The woman was not under any obligation to respond to random instructions from armed, unidentified masked men. This was not a failure to communicate. ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/381 "2026-01-10T20:57:22Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Out of curiosity, how did the cell phone video already end up online? Did the ice agent post it himself? It was published by Alpha News, a conservative news outlet. Then, this part is crazy, the Department of Homeland Security confirmed that the video was taken by the agent and posted the clip on Xitter. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/382 "2026-01-10T20:57:39Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Out of curiosity, how did the cell phone video already end up online? DHS posted it as “proof” that she was a terrorist who got what she had coming. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/383 "2026-01-10T20:58:55Z")
They didn’t hit an officer. They were killed for no reason. The murder saved no one and placed everyone at risk by putting a vehicle out of control. You seriously think that it was appropriate to kill this woman, who posed no threat to anyone, just for not obeying conflicting instructions? It’s clear to me that some people get into ICE because they want to hurt and kill people, and this guy got his wish. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/384 "2026-01-10T21:02:07Z")
> [@The ICE shooting in Minneapolis (1/7/2026)](#): > > (2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physica… This. The officer is blocking the vehicle. A sensible person realizes this and stands down. Choosing to drive into the officer qualifies as a serious physical threat. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/385 "2026-01-10T21:02:48Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Walking in front of a vehicle while shooting video on your phone, with your other hand on your gun seems like you’re hoping for a viral video, not law and order. He was filming her license plate . . . which should send a chill down everyone’s spine given the possible implications. idtdht > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The murder saved no one and placed everyone at risk by putting a vehicle out of control. He placed everyone there at risk by discharging his firearm in the direction of people he wasn’t trying to murder. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/386 "2026-01-10T21:03:17Z")
Stellar example of [**decontextualization**](https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803095706702), there. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/387 "2026-01-10T21:05:10Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > The officer is blocking the vehicle. A sensible officer realizes this is incredibly dangerous to the officer and stands somewhere that the vehicle can not run the officer over. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/388 "2026-01-10T21:05:48Z")
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