# The ICE shootings in Minneapolis (1/7/2026) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2026, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461 "2026-01-08T05:32:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/409 "2026-01-10T21:22:38Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > The license plate number is the first thing an officer looks at when pulling a car over. You know, cars have plates on the BACK also these days. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/410 "2026-01-10T21:24:15Z")
**Moderating:** > [@Magiver](#): > > > [@Jihi](#): > > > > No, MAGA, the right wing, and Trump made deportations a political flashpoint for political reasons. All of that, and the death of Renee Good is on them > > Trump’s election was driving by Biden’s open border policy which was not addressed by Harris’s campaign. Particularly since she was the “Border Czar”. Both of these points, especially the latter are going off topic. Drop this now. The thread is about the events of the shooting, not about Immigration control, except so far as the current administration is using ICE as law enforcement. This topic is closed but will reopen in ten minutes to make sure everyone has a chance to read before replying. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/414 "2026-01-10T21:34:41Z")
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**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/415 "2026-01-10T22:03:19Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I don’t understand why she chose to launch her car at an officer > [@Magiver](#): > > What is the assumption an office supposed to make when confronted with someone driving at them > [@Magiver](#): > > Hitting an officer with a vehicle comes under self defense. > [@Magiver](#): > > instead of hitting an officer > [@Magiver](#): > > Choosing to drive into the officer > [@Magiver](#): > > Running into an officer with a 4000 lb car is the stupid part How about you show us the video of that happening. It seems most of us haven’t seen that one. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/416 "2026-01-10T22:22:38Z")
Yeah, that sounds terrifying. As I’ve mentioned, I don’t want to watch the video because it features a woman being shot in the head. But considering the above descriptions, it sounds like the video, prior to the trigger pull, is simply terrifying. Must be. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/417 "2026-01-10T22:26:01Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > As I’ve mentioned, I don’t want to watch the video because it features a woman being shot in the head. You don’t actually see that. You see him take the shot but not it’s effect. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/418 "2026-01-10T22:34:51Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > that person is guilty of murder regardless of whether the first shot is murder or not. The second two are. I completely agree. Regarding the first shot, I don’t believe for a moment that Good was trying to run down the officer. This is pure fiction created by Trump and his lackeys. But even if she had been, killing the driver when the car was already close enough to touch him, or nearly so, would have accomplished nothing, so the self-defense argument is useless here. But aside from all that, firing at her through the side window **as she was going past** is just a clear case of murder, and as you say, is indefensible, even if some kind of defense could be fabricated for the first shot. There was a case here a few years ago where a police officer shot and killed a man who was coming at him with a knife. The first shot(s) brought the man down and were considered justifiable self-defense. But the officer kept firing after the man was on the ground and posed no further threat. For that, he was charged and convicted of murder. That seemed to me like justice was served. There will be no justice here, at least not while Trump and his lackeys are in power. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/419 "2026-01-10T22:35:35Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > > [@Magiver](#): > > > > I don’t understand why she chose to launch her car at an officer > > > [@Magiver](#): > > > > What is the assumption an office supposed to make when confronted with someone driving at them > > > [@Magiver](#): > > > > Hitting an officer with a vehicle comes under self defense. > > > [@Magiver](#): > > > > instead of hitting an officer > > > [@Magiver](#): > > > > Choosing to drive into the officer > > > [@Magiver](#): > > > > Running into an officer with a 4000 lb car is the stupid part > > How about you show us the video of that happening. It seems most of us haven’t seen that one. Indeed. The misinformation–outright propaganda–is a massively-important part of this event. I strongly recommend the Media Matters timeline of how one major part of the right, Fox News, is engineering the dissemination of lies (such as the “she hit him with her car” one). > [@](#): > > …A New York Times analysis of the incident stated that “the vehicle appears to be turning away” from the officer involved and that he was “standing to the left of the SUV” at the time he opened fire, while the SUV’s wheels are “pointing to the right, away from the agent.” And as The Washington Post notes, “As the vehicle moves forward, video shows, the agent moves out of the way and at nearly the same time fires his first shot. The footage shows that his other two shots were fired from the side of the vehicle.” … > > **Here’s a timeline of Fox’s coverage** of the January 7 Minneapolis shooting, which shows that the network largely pushed the administration’s propaganda: Fox News initially parroted administration talking points > > 12:27 p.m. ET: Shortly after news of the shooting broke, correspondent Mike Tobin said there “is some discussion that it was triggered by a ramming incident that we see so often when ICE and Border Patrol agents are conducting their operations.” … Very useful and well-documented. > **[A look at how Fox used its coverage of the Minneapolis ICE shooting to push...](https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/look-how-fox-used-its-coverage-minneapolis-ice-shooting-push-administrations-propaganda)** > > On January 7, an Immigration and Customs Enforcement officer fatally shot a woman, Renee Nicole Good, in Minneapolis, Minnesota, during an immigration crackdown on the city. Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem described the incident as... ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/420 "2026-01-10T22:39:49Z")
> [@Ancient\_Nerd](#): > > I would agree that the split-second life or death line is overused and needs to be carefully examined. Pretty sure last year the SCt held that, although LEOs have to make split second judgments, judicial review the totality of the circumstances. [https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/23-1239\_onjq.pdf](https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/23-1239_onjq.pdf) Seems to be considerable argument going on here 400+ posts in, but I’m not sure exactly what is being argued. Has anyone said Good deserved to be shot? How many posters have defended the shooter? I’m thinking 1. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/421 "2026-01-10T22:50:43Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > Has anyone said Good deserved to be shot? How many posters have defended the shooter? I’m thinking 1. Maybe only one here—but the position ‘_she tried to kill him with her car, so shooting her was self-defense and therefore justified_’ is **fully** established on the right. It matters. The choice to ignore the evidence of the videos has been sanctified by the President, Vice President, and all their associates. Their official position is that any ICE officer can claim ‘self-defense’ after shooting _anyone_. “ **Absolute immunity,** ” they’re calling it, despite the fact that there is no support for it in either the U.S. Code or in any SCOTUS decision. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/422 "2026-01-10T22:53:10Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > They are Federal Law Enforcement Officers. That doesn’t mean they have some sort of universal jurisdiction over the entire country, or the right to make an arrest of this woman.. I’m pretty sure the reason they were _recording license plates_ (instead of running them on their computers, like law enforcement officers would typically do) was so they could report these people to the actual cops. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/423 "2026-01-10T23:12:03Z")
> [@Ancient\_Nerd](#): > > I would agree that the split-second life or death line is overused and needs to be carefully examined. I (briefly) tried to find it but couldn’t, but I remember a comedian from the 90s/early 00s making a comment along the lines of “they say cops have to make split second decisions in high stress situations …we [the detained person] also have to make split second decisions in a high stress situation, but with a gun pointed at us”. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/424 "2026-01-10T23:16:15Z")
The Wall Street Journal documents what’s becoming a pattern; ICE gangsters box in unarmed people with cars, prevent them from fleeing, then use their attempts to escape to justify murdering them. [https://www.wsj.com/us-news/videos-show-how-ice-vehicle-stops-can-escalate-to-shootings-caf17601](https://www.wsj.com/us-news/videos-show-how-ice-vehicle-stops-can-escalate-to-shootings-caf17601) ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/425 "2026-01-10T23:27:30Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > … timeline of how one major part of the right, Fox News, is engineering the dissemination of lies (such as the “she hit him with her car” one) This is Fox News fulfilling its primary mission of disseminating Republican lies, even the most blatant ones from the liar-in-chief. I would expect no less from them. This is a large part of the reason that the country is so fucked – the majority of voters aren’t evil, just tragically misinformed. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/426 "2026-01-10T23:27:59Z")
Having firmly established that, they’ve moved on to Rachel’s wife. “The algorithm” fed me a post calling for her to be arrested as an accomplice to attempted murder for telling Rachel to leave. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/427 "2026-01-10T23:36:15Z")
> [@Ancient\_Nerd](#): > > We need the police but, they need competent and independent oversight. Also while yes we need police, we also need them to not be _these_ police. Armed bigoted thugs are going to _act_ like armed bigoted thugs no matter what the rules say or don’t say. We need people who will _do the job_ of enforcing the law and keeping the peace; not taking every possible opportunity to bully, rob and attack people. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/428 "2026-01-10T23:40:33Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > Having firmly established that, they’ve moved on to Rachel’s wife. “The algorithm” fed me a post calling for her to be arrested as an accomplice to attempted murder for telling Rachel to leave. Cops think that a car is assumed to be a murder weapon, and if you drive without permission, they have the right to execute you because they felt vewwy afwaid. It has to stop. Police need to learn the survival skill of not standing in front of a moving car, and moving out of the way if it does move unexpectedly. You know, like pedestrians, cyclists, and everybody else. Use your noggin, Barney Fife. Of course this isn’t a misunderstanding. ICE has a pattern of doing this, jumping in front of cars to box them in, hoping the car will move, so they’ll have a pretext to murder the occupants. What makes this whole thing even more egregious is if you propose any kind of policy that limits the rights of drivers… whether it’s walkable cities, consumption tolls, bike lanes, transit, conservatives are like “how dare you abridge the rights of our wheeled freedom boxes, driving a car is a sacred and holy American right.” But if you drive a little funny they’ll execute you and claim you’re the one who started it. It’s madness. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/429 "2026-01-10T23:44:32Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > ICE has a pattern of doing this, jumping in front of cars to box them in, hoping the car will move, so they’ll have a pretext to murder the occupants. chilling ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/430 "2026-01-10T23:47:58Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > They are Federal Law Enforcement Officers. They are Paid Terrorist Thugs. Nothing more. They may be collecting my tax money, but they’re masked cowards who just murdered a woman because they’re too stupid to put down the phone and use situational awareness in the roadway. Everyone should resist, film, and shame them. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2026, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/431 "2026-01-11T00:49:11Z")
Why is he carrying a cell phone and recording? Why isn’t he wearing a body cam? Seems like a very odd thing for an On duty officer to be doing. Was he perhaps looking for some juicy content? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461.md?page=22)