# The ICE shootings in Minneapolis (1/7/2026) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2026, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461 "2026-01-08T05:32:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2026, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/472 "2026-01-11T19:39:11Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > > [@Procrustus](#): > > > > It’s clear you are indeed guessing, since he was never hit. > > He’s in front of the car when she starts moving and you can hear the audio which sounds like he’s hit. So your statement of certainty is also a guess. In the first video that was released, you can see that he was not hit by her car. Look at 1:20 in this scene. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/-iIzR9nmQMM/maxresdefault.jpg "Video Analysis: ICE shooting in Minneapolis") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iIzR9nmQMM) ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2026, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/473 "2026-01-11T19:40:38Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > He could have been standing on the passenger side of the car and made that shot. He could have been, BUT HE WASN’T. The first released video FUCKING SHOWS WHERE HE WAS STANDING WHEN HE TOOK THE FIRST SHOT. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2026, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/474 "2026-01-11T19:43:42Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > Look at 1:20 in this scene. Actually, start at 1:15. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2026, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/475 "2026-01-11T19:48:57Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > the vitriol expressed by some people in this thread seems to be based on emotional dislike of LEO’s. When they summarily execute someone, you’re goddam right there’s an emotional, visceral dislike of LEOs. That dislike is doubled down when, within fifteen minutes the victim is denounced by the murderer’s entire chain of command from our so-called President down to the scene commander as a domestic terrorist. This is the ninth time since September ICE thugs have fired at or into a a vehicle. That this is the first death is nothing short of miraculous. > [@Magiver](#): > > I think this video should be shown sooner than later to show what happened and let justice take it’s course. Justice is a foreign concept to this regime. It has already said it will not cooperate with local law enforcement. What are they hiding? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2026, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/476 "2026-01-11T19:50:41Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > That this is the first death is nothing short of miraculous. Nah, stormtroopers can’t aim. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2026, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/477 "2026-01-11T19:52:34Z")
According to this NBC news article, Agent Ross is packing boxes and getting ready to move out ASAP (note for mods, this article doesn’t give any real specifics that could be considered doxxing): > **[The ICE officer who killed a Minnesota woman is a war veteran who spent over...](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ice-officer-jonathan-ross-veteran-spent-decade-dhs-rcna253254)** > > Jonathan Ross shot and killed 37-year-old U.S. citizen Renee Nicole Good during a confrontation in Minneapolis earlier this week. But I thought he killed the woman because he feared for his safety? I thought the whole point of shooting the woman in the head was so that he could restore his feeling of safety. I guess he still doesn’t feel safe even though he’s allowed to murder his way out of his insecurities. Well, good luck to his new neighbors, wherever he ends up. Let’s hope he doesn’t move to a cul-de-sac where his neighbors need to make 3-point turns when they are exiting their driveways. > [@Magiver](#): > > I have no horse in this race beyond general support for LEO’s. If you support LEOs, don’t support this one. He has made things so much worse for all of them. He has brought shame to his entire organization and he has made himself, his family and his fellow officers into targets. Based on his accolades noted in the article above, he very well should have known better than to do what he did. He is not someone who should be a part of the law enforcement community any longer. You can still support the LEO community and recognize that at the same time. > [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Nah, stormtroopers can’t aim. Might I suggest you watch Andor, season 2 episode 8 specifically? I won’t spoil it. If you know, you know. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2026, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/478 "2026-01-11T20:00:38Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > Look at 1:20 in this scene. And we are back here again. You watch that video and see certainty. I watch it and see at least possible ambiguity. I marvel that you can see the shooter perfectly through the thug standing in front of him. Right at 1:20, the way he moves looks to me as though his left leg MIGHT have been clipped. He held his gun in his right hand. Not sure if the gun was held to the right or in front of his torso. I’m guessing an average person is maybe 24” wide at the torso. If walking sideways to their right, their trailing left leg might be even more than 24” to the left of their gun hand. I also thought the asshole was taken to the hospital. If so, it would be noce to see what the examiners opined. So some anonymous person’s photoshopping gives you all the certainty you need. Great. **Macgiver** and I may. agree with you when/if more evidence comes out. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2026, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/479 "2026-01-11T20:07:11Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > So some anonymous person’s photoshopping gives you all the certainty you need. Great. **Macgiver** and I may. agree with you when/if more evidence comes out. From the last link by @DWMarch: > Trump administration figures, including President Donald Trump, have defended Ross and claimed that Good was an agitator who attempted to run him over with her SUV. **Witnesses have told NBC News that it didn’t appear Ross was in the direct path of Good’s SUV as she tried to evade ICE officers.** > > **[Videos contradict](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/videos-contradict-trump-account-fatal-ice-shooting-minneapolis-rcna253107) Trump’s claim that Good “viciously ran over” Ross, showing that Good’s car didn’t knock him down and that his legs were to the side of the SUV as it moved by him while he fired.** ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2026, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/480 "2026-01-11T20:09:41Z")
Please define “direct path.” If I clip or sideswipe something while turning, was it in my direct path? NONE OF WHICH JUSTIFIES ANY ASPECT OF THE SHOOTER”S CONDUCT. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2026, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/481 "2026-01-11T20:10:06Z")
As for this: > [@Dinsdale](#): > > So some anonymous person’s photoshopping gives you all the certainty you need. Alone, I would agree it does not offer certainty. However, with the other evidence, It looks more convincing. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2026, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/482 "2026-01-11T20:12:19Z")
I readily agree that any contact was minimal. Just watched again - perhaps he got clipped - or jumped aside, before/as he was shooting. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2026, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/483 "2026-01-11T20:15:37Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > Please define “direct path.” If I clip or sideswipe something while turning, was it in my direct path? As even the rules and past cases noted, standing in the path of the vehicle was Ross’s stupid idea. And as noted (specially with ICE) the purpose is to have justification to shoot at people. As it is, it is even doubtful that he was sideswiped. And considering all the evidence so far, even if that sideswiping took case, that would not justify the shooting. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2026, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/484 "2026-01-11T20:28:53Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > As even the rules and past cases noted, standing in the path of the vehicle was Ross’s stupid idea. And as noted (specially with ICE) the purpose is to have justification to shoot at people. As it is, it is even doubtful that he was sideswiped. And considering all the evidence so far, even if that sideswiping took case, that would not justify the shooting. Agreed wholeheartedly, with a possible preference of the word “questionable” rather than “doubtful.” ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2026, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/485 "2026-01-11T21:10:55Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > > [@Magiver](#): > > > > I don’t understand why she chose to launch her car at an officer > > > [@Magiver](#): > > > > What is the assumption an office supposed to make when confronted with someone driving at them > > > [@Magiver](#): > > > > Hitting an officer with a vehicle comes under self defense. > > > [@Magiver](#): > > > > instead of hitting an officer > > > [@Magiver](#): > > > > Choosing to drive into the officer > > > [@Magiver](#): > > > > Running into an officer with a 4000 lb car is the stupid part > > How about you show us the video of that happening. It seems most of us haven’t seen that one. > [@Magiver](#): > > My guess is that he fires as he is hit and uses 2 to 3 shots as the car moves. Show me the video of that happening. It seems most of us haven’t seen that one. ---
**Author:** ![fachverwirrt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/94ad74/32.png) [@fachverwirrt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fachverwirrt)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2026, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/486 "2026-01-11T21:46:35Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > I also thought the asshole was taken to the hospital. If so, it would be noce to see what the examiners opined. As far as I know the only source for his going to the hospital is Donald Trump. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2026, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/487 "2026-01-11T22:51:40Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I could be wrong but I believe police are trained to use multiple taps Which again is totally irrelevant. None of the murder statutes in any of the jurisdictions have a clause that says “it’s OK to murder someone if you have been trained to” > [@Magiver](#): > > The reason behind multiple taps is that a single hit may not **stop** the person Which might be a basis for self defense for an attack on someone _carrying_ a deadly weapon (as long as the weapon is still in the victim’s hand and posing threat. LEOs have been found guilty for repeated shots after the victim no longer posted a threat). But in this case the (very very dubious) “weapon” is a large SUV powered by an internal combustion engine. Neither one bullet or a hundred bullets was ever going to stop it. That’s shown by the fact IT DID NOT STOP, it carried on after the driver was murdered, DID NOT hit any ICE agents, and ended up like 100ft behind them. The murder of the driver did not **avert** anything! (Though, as an out of control vehicle with a dead driver, did pose serious threat to the life of everyone on the road) ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2026, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/488 "2026-01-11T22:53:02Z")
Tom Homan says it wasn’t murder and if you say it was murder we will murder more of you which will also not be murder. > **[Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com)](https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3mc5roxkysk2g)** > > Homan: "We gotta stop the hateful rhetoric. Saying this officer is a murderer is dangerous. It's just ridiculous. It's gonna infuriate people more which means there's gonna be more incidents like this." > **[Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com)](https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3mc5rnc6iwk2g)** > > WELKER: What do you see in that video? > > HOMAN: I've said from March -- if the hateful rhetoric doesn't decline there's going to be bloodshed. And unfortunately I was right. You gotta put yourself in the mind of the officer. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2026, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/489 "2026-01-12T00:07:55Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > Cops think that a car is assumed to be a murder weapon, and if you drive without permission, they have the right to execute you because they felt vewwy afwaid. It has to stop. Police need to learn the survival skill of not standing in front of a moving car VERY much this. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2026, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/490 "2026-01-12T00:22:10Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Tom Homan says it wasn’t murder and if you say it was murder we will murder more of you … Classic abuser language. '_Why do you keep making me hit you?’_ > [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > > [@Magiver](#): > > > > He could have been standing on the passenger side of the car and made that shot. > > He could have been, BUT HE WASN’T. The first released video FUCKING SHOWS WHERE HE WAS STANDING WHEN HE TOOK THE FIRST SHOT. That’s right. Note also that the first video released (I believe) shows Ross walking down to where his victim’s car has rolled, AND walking back. At no time does he exhibit the slightest hint of a limp or any other indication of having any injury at all. > [@griffin1977](#): > > Neither one bullet or a hundred bullets was ever going to stop it. That’s shown by the fact IT DID NOT STOP, it carried on after the driver was murdered, DID NOT hit any ICE agents, and ended up like 100ft behind them. The murder of the driver did not **avert** anything! (Though, as an out of control vehicle with a dead driver, did pose serious threat to the life of everyone on the road) Excellent point. Noem has been loudly claiming that Ross followed ICE procedures perfectly. How is this—even putting aside the murder, and looking just at the outcome of the car rolling away to hit who or whatever—their recommended procedure??? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2026, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/491 "2026-01-12T02:20:22Z")
I don’t recall hearing all that honking on the other videos taken at the same time. Could it have been added to this particular viddy in an attempt to somehow justify their actions? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461.md?page=25)