# The ICE shootings in Minneapolis (1/7/2026) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2026, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461 "2026-01-08T05:32:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2026, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/733 "2026-01-16T21:38:10Z")
I’m pretty shocked that the Hispanic favorable number is still so high, considering they might arrest you just for _looking_ Hispanic. The number for Black is much lower, even though I don’t think ICE is hassling Blacks (that’s the job of the local police, after all). I think they’re just more aware (woke to, if you will) of these kinds of horrific rights violations, given they experience it all the time from the locals. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2026, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/734 "2026-01-16T21:52:32Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > I’m pretty shocked that the Hispanic favorable number is still so high, considering they might arrest you just for _looking_ Hispanic. The Black population in the US has a greater distrust of law enforcement given the long multi-generational persecution of that demographic. So I think they view all law enforcement institutions less favorably than any demographic before any other specific issues are accounted for. There are also a number of documented Hispanic folks who have settled in the US and are well-established who resent seeing the undocumented entry of other Hispanics. Remember that Trump was quite open about wanting to ramp up immigration enforcement, and made extremely disparaging and slanderous remarks about immigrant communities, yet nearly won the Latino vote last year. [Axios: Trump came close to winning Latino vote in '24 — Pew analysis](https://www.axios.com/2025/06/26/trump-harris-latino-voters-2024-election-pew) That support has been slipping quite a bit of late, though. > **[Majorities of Latinos Disapprove of Trump and His Policies on Immigration,...](https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2025/11/24/majorities-of-latinos-disapprove-of-trump-and-his-policies-on-immigration-economy/)** > > 78% of Hispanics say Trump’s policies harm their group, but views of the president and policies differ widely by how they voted in 2024. And that poll was back in November, before things got a lot worse. My point is that the numbers might be so high because they started pretty high to begin with, and even though they’ve been decreasing a lot, they still have some ways to go. I wouldn’t be surprised if polls get extremely low later this year among that group. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2026, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/735 "2026-01-16T22:01:02Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Some people just don’t pay attention to the world around them. You could poll people on their opinion of rabies and get 5-6% “undecided”. Also, there’s a fair number of people who are just cowards unwilling to actually take a stand no matter what. Who no matter how obviously evil or wrong or stupid something is will hem and haw and do _anything_ other than actually take a stand on the issue, trying to please everyone while actually pleasing no one. It’s just unfortunate that so many of those people are _also_ Democratic leaders. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2026, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/736 "2026-01-16T22:01:57Z")
Point of clarification, please: in the chart, what is the demographic “AAPI”? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2026, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/737 "2026-01-16T22:02:15Z")
Asaian-American or Pacific Islander. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2026, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/738 "2026-01-16T22:02:35Z")
Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2026, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/739 "2026-01-16T22:46:57Z")
> [@Folly](#): > > 3 shots could cause 4 wounds. With one passing through the forearm. Stand by for Republican rants about magic bullets. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2026, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/740 "2026-01-16T22:48:28Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Some people just don’t pay attention to the world around them. You could poll people on their opinion of rabies and get 5-6% “undecided”. Yeah, I know. I live around some of them here at The Home. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/741 "2026-01-17T00:15:23Z")
I don’t know where to put this, there are so many different threads that could probably go in, … Or maybe it deserves its own thread …but I’m just going to put it here because it’s stemmed from the ice shooting. CNN is reporting that the department of Justice is now investigating the governor and mayor of Minneapolis. For obstruction of federal law enforcement. I wonder how well that’ll go. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/742 "2026-01-17T00:21:39Z")
I remember reading back in the 1980s that 2% of the American population didn’t know who the POTUS was. Maybe the pollsters included people with severe mental disabilities, but if they didn’t, anyway, that really blew my mind. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/743 "2026-01-17T00:26:02Z")
> The only person not being investigated for the shooting of Renee Good is the federal agent who shot her. –Minnesota Governor, Tim Walz > **[ABC: DOJ investigating Walz, Frey for obstructing federal law enforcement...](https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/abc-doj-investigating-walz-frey-for-obstructing-federal-law-enforcement-activities/)** > > Sources tell ABC News that a federal investigation has been opened into Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey and Gov. Tim Walz for reportedly obstructing federal law enforcement activities in Minnesota, according to multiple U.S. officials. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/744 "2026-01-17T00:29:01Z")
Someone has GOT to know where this guy is. In Willmar, MN, some ICE agents had a late lunch at a local Mexican restaurant, and then came back a few hours later and arrested some of the employees. > **[El Tapatio in Willmar closed Friday; ICE arrests reported there Wednesday](https://www.wctrib.com/news/local/el-tapatio-in-willmar-closed-friday-ice-arrests-reported-there-wednesday)** > > A sign seen on the door of the Mexican restaurant Friday said only that it is closed. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/745 "2026-01-17T00:46:26Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > CNN is reporting that the department of Justice is now investigating the governor and mayor of Minneapolis. For obstruction of federal law enforcement. > > I wonder how well that’ll go. Remember rule #1 of Trump investigations. The investigation is the end goal. It doesn’t have to have any merit, it doesn’t have to result in any charges. An investigation on its own causes a lot of problems for the target, and it’s a way for Trump to legally attack people he doesn’t like on the taxpayer’s dime. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/746 "2026-01-17T01:50:08Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > There needs to be probable cause to ask you for anything. Whether it’s to search your car, your house, your pockets, or ask to see what’s in your wallet. And that includes asking for ID. Sorry, but that’s not correct. However, it’s not far off. In the U.S., generally speaking (i.e. in the absence of some waiver or restriction of rights, as when somebody is on probation or enters some restricted area), when you are outside your home the police need reasonable articulable suspicion to detain you and investigate your activities. RAS means that the police office must be able to state, beyond a mere hunch, a factual basis to believe that you have committed, or are about to commit, a crime. The seminal case on this is Terry v Ohio, in which a cop saw some guys casing a store, and based on their movements he stopped to investigate. This legal authority is now referred to as a _Terry stop_. > **[Terry stop](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_stop)** > > A Terry stop in the United States allows the police to briefly detain a person based on reasonable suspicion of involvement in criminal activity. Reasonable suspicion is a lower standard than probable cause which is needed for arrest. When police stop and pat-down a pedestrian, this is commonly known as a stop and frisk. When police stop an automobile, this is known as a traffic stop. If the police stop a motor vehicle on minor infringements in order to investigate other suspected criminal In ... In a Terry stop, a cop can detain their suspect, who is not free to leave. During that time, for their safety, the officer can frisk the suspect for weapons. And they can ascertain the identity of their suspect. If the officer discovers evidence of a crime during this investigation, for which they have probable cause, then they can make an arrest. But they can definitely detain, search, and invade the freedom of an American citizen well before developing probable cause. (The controversy here, of course, is that ICE is claiming nothing more than racial profiling as reasonable suspicion of having committed a crime - being an unlawful resident - which is outrageous) ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/747 "2026-01-17T01:57:55Z")
The controversy here, of course, is that ICE is not the police. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/748 "2026-01-17T02:15:38Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > ICE is not the police. Word. But they can make arrests, if only of crimes within their jurisdiction. Those are federal crimes - the states can’t be compelled to enforce them - but, similarly, I’m pretty sure that the states are limited in their ability to stop them from doing immigration and customs enforcement. But that leaves an important issue unresolved: where can ICE go, and who can they encounter, in their attempts to do that “job”? If they were confined to points of entry (say, International airports, border crossings, and ports), I doubt there’d be controversy. But now they are roving the streets. In theory, law enforcement is legally allowed to initiate a “voluntary encounter” with any person, based on nothing more than a desire to do so. The person is free to walk away (in theory), and doesn’t have to show ID. But they can choose to cooperate with the officer. I’ve been wondering if these ICE people have been knocking on doors in immigrant neighborhoods based on the legal pretext that these were just “knock and talk” encounters, and use the excuse of _voluntariness_ to claim that people were just _letting them_ search their homes and interview their relatives (noting, of course, that law enforcement routinely uses intimidation and coercion to get suspects to “agree” to participate in their investigation) It’s that blanketing of vulnerable neighborhoods (and the fear and intimidation it caused) that brought out protesters, and led to the Renee Good homicide. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/749 "2026-01-17T02:24:18Z")
I’m sure you are familiar with [“Kavanaugh stops”](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kavanaugh_stop) which allows ICE to stop, question and briefly detain people for looking kind of like an immigrant. That can be based on ethnicity, the language they speak, if they are in a location known to be frequented by day laborers, or if they are doing a stereotypical immigrant job like landscaping or agriculture. Kavanaugh’s clarification that ethnicity can’t be the _only_ factor, only a “relevant factor,” does little to make this any less disgusting. So yeah, you don’t need to carry ID unless you are out gardening or shopping at Home Depot or some foreign thing like that. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/750 "2026-01-17T02:32:57Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > I’m sure you are familiar with [“Kavanaugh stops”](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kavanaugh_stop) which allows ICE to stop, question and briefly detain people for looking kind of like an immigrant. Yes, and it’s horrible. Lawyers have been fighting for years against efforts to utilize broad racist stereotypes as a basis to stop people (I.e. it should not be considered reasonable suspicion of a drug deal to see white person and a black person riding in the same car in a sketchy neighborhood), and then Kavanaugh undermines morality, decency, and ethics with the stroke of a pen. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/751 "2026-01-17T02:40:55Z")
> [@Ellecram](#): > > > [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > > > They’re rejecting Real ID and other valid citizenship documents. If they want you, they’ll take you. > > I’ve seen reports that they refuse to even look at identification. “Papers NOW!” “Here” -rip rip rip "No papers - take him away. Fucking Gestapo ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/752 "2026-01-17T02:41:48Z")
> **[Josh Gerstein (@joshgerstein.bsky.social)](https://bsky.app/profile/joshgerstein.bsky.social/post/3mclg3c6jm22o)** > > BREAKING: Judge enters TRO blocking feds from interfering with or arresting peaceful protesters in Minnesota. Judge Kate Menendez, Biden appointee. Order: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/26491067-tinchertro011626pdf/ [![](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:vgzwdyiwzdnfrga2xcvblvr4/bafkreigmz5ntpqxbggf3szin25n3cstsomsqnikhz3vmthttkzgfkyvelu@jpeg) ](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:vgzwdyiwzdnfrga2xcvblvr4/bafkreigmz5ntpqxbggf3szin25n3cstsomsqnikhz3vmthttkzgfkyvelu@jpeg) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461.md?page=36) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461.md?page=38)