# The ICE shootings in Minneapolis (1/7/2026) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2026, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461 "2026-01-08T05:32:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/61 "2026-01-08T19:12:32Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > By stating that local officials are interfering with a federal investigation. This seems like a spurious accusation, meanwhile the fact that federal officials are withholding evidence from state investigators is a solid reason to accuse them of interfering with a state investigation. Granted, this is a state/federal conflict, but the law doesn’t seem to be on the side of the feds in this one. I don’t know what would happen if this ends up going to the courts. (And that’s a heavy “if”.) ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/62 "2026-01-08T19:13:47Z")
> [@Cubsfan](#): > > This is a totally non-justifiable kill but I think the people who continue to insist that she was not told to “get out of her car” but to “get out of there” when there is a video with very clear audio that is unambiguously ordering her to get out of the car and then her driving forward when one officer reached for her door handle are really hurting their own credibility in the larger argument. There is no reason for folks to push the other narrative because its provably false. > > I don’t see any outcome where the officer is charged with a crime here unfortunately. Unfortunately, we’ve gotten to a point where people will watch a video like this and see what they want to see. If she were on her knees with her hands behind her head and begging for her life, and this guy came up and shot her at point blank range, that might sway a few people, but even then, most of the MAGA cult would still believe their orange emperor over their lying eyes. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/63 "2026-01-08T19:15:23Z")
> [@joebuck20](#): > > If she were on her knees with her hands behind her head and begging for her life, and this guy came up and shot her at point blank range, that might sway a few people, but even then, most of the MAGA cult would still believe their orange emperor over their lying eyes. They are a lost cause anyway. I’m sure there are many in that group who still think Pizzagate was real. What they do or don’t believe isn’t really worth dwelling on. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/64 "2026-01-08T19:26:12Z")
And what’s up with Kristi Noem? She looks like she’s just finished her fifth shot of watermelon Pucker in the parking lot with the girls before they head in to Kiss-FM’s Lake Fest '97. What an unserious piece of shit. [![](https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article36516232.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200c/1_Kristi-Noem-urged-get-rid-of-the-stupid-hat-as-she-hides-behind-cowboy-hat.jpg) ](https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article36516232.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200c/1_Kristi-Noem-urged-get-rid-of-the-stupid-hat-as-she-hides-behind-cowboy-hat.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/65 "2026-01-08T19:29:30Z")
She looks like she learned how to behave in public by watching “Yellowstone”. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/66 "2026-01-08T19:33:29Z")
Give the girl a hat…and all of a sudden Miss Deputy Dog shows up. How laughable! (eeeeek! Why did I say the word dog around her?) ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/67 "2026-01-08T19:34:04Z")
[https://www.startribune.com/ice-agent-who-fatally-shot-woman-in-minneapolis-is-identified/601560214?utm\_source=gift](https://www.startribune.com/ice-agent-who-fatally-shot-woman-in-minneapolis-is-identified/601560214?utm_source=gift) ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/68 "2026-01-08T19:47:55Z")
They say he’s an “experienced officer,” but what kind of experienced officer approaches a vehicle from the front, while on foot? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/69 "2026-01-08T19:54:13Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > And what’s up with Kristi Noem? Where have I seen that hat before… [![](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ_4MaJK1xth25ttF5N3-xoY_FIGg4LA5xsEg&s) ](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ_4MaJK1xth25ttF5N3-xoY_FIGg4LA5xsEg&s) ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/70 "2026-01-08T20:06:29Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > I have to emphatically disagree here, the agent was never in danger. He always had the ability to step out of the way. We know this because that’s exactly what he did, and it proved effective – he was uninjured. I disagree with this analysis. I can think of many incidents in which someone might avoid injury through quick thinking/action. But the fact that they avoided injury does not mean they were “never in danger.” But that is fine. We don’t have to agree perfectly in every respect. For me, I am capable of despising and wishing ill upon all administration actors involved without going the extra step some of you wish to. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/71 "2026-01-08T20:14:07Z")
I’m not talking about other incidents, I’m talking about this one. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/72 "2026-01-08T20:17:23Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > And what’s up with Kristi Noem? She looks like she’s just finished her fifth shot of watermelon Pucker in the parking lot with the girls before they head in to Kiss-FM’s Lake Fest '97. What an unserious piece of shit. I am often reflecting on Logan Roy’s admonition in Succession “You are not serious people”. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/73 "2026-01-08T20:24:18Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > I disagree with this analysis. I can think of many incidents in which someone might avoid injury through quick thinking/action. But the fact that they avoided injury does not mean they were “never in danger.” The driver was definitely wielding deadly force with her vehicle. The agent was in danger and had a reasonable fear for his life. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/74 "2026-01-08T20:24:41Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > But the fact that they avoided injury does not mean they were “never in danger.” He wouldn’t have been in danger if he had just not tried to use his body to block a vehicle. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/75 "2026-01-08T20:31:12Z")
This is, of course, nonsense. It’s all performative, and we all know it, and I’m not going to disregard my own eyes, ears, and brain on this one. Cops know exactly what to say to justify deadly force. “He was making furtive movements.” “He was reaching for his waistband.” In this case, this asshole knew that if you stand _slightly_ in front of a car, then you’re allowed to claim that you feared for your life. So that’s what he’ll claim, and I’m not going to play along with the charade. If he wanted to use his body as an obstacle, he would have walked right in front of the car to ensure that the driver would see him. Except that’s _actually_ dangerous, because then he might not have time to casually step out of the way. And this jackoff had no intention of actually putting himself in danger. Instead, he flopped. Stepped 18 inches into the path of the car so that he’d be able to step right back out, while having the barest fig life of justifiable cause for deadly force. It’s a deadly game of pretend that Renee Good didn’t know she was playing. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/76 "2026-01-08T20:31:28Z")
If there was any danger at all (narrator: there wasn’t) it’s because he was an idiot who approached a vehicle from the front. Even if you’re in danger from a moving vehicle the smart (or legal) thing to do isn’t to shoot the driver who’s trying to leave the scene. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/77 "2026-01-08T20:36:09Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > The agent was in danger and had a reasonable fear for his life. Not sure I agree with that. How “reasonable” his fear might have been. Moreover, he was SOLELY RESPONSIBLE for placing himself in that position. Maybe he should learn to stop stepping in front of cars which have their engines running and drivers behind the wheel… ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/78 "2026-01-08T20:37:31Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > The driver was definitely wielding deadly force with her vehicle. The agent was in danger and had a reasonable fear for his life. Would you say that all drivers in all circumstances can be described as “wielding deadly force” when behind the wheel? Would you say that any pedestrian is “in danger” and has a “reasonable fear for their life” any time a vehicle is near them? Or in motion near them? Is it reasonable for any person to kill a driver of a vehicle if that vehicle is moving so slowly that they can step out of the way? ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/79 "2026-01-08T20:38:23Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > If he wanted to use his body as an obstacle, he would have walked right in front of the car to ensure that the driver would see him. Except that’s _actually_ dangerous, because then he might not have time to casually step out of the way. And this jackoff had no intention of actually putting himself in danger. Instead, he flopped. Stepped 18 inches into the path of the car so that he’d be able to step right back out, Again - this is different from what I saw. IIRC, the shooter came from the right of the victim’s car, and walked all the way across the front of the car before ending up near the front right corner. As I’ve acknowledged, the victim was likely understandably preoccupied by the 2 thugs approaching her driver’s door. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/80 "2026-01-08T20:54:49Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > The driver was definitely wielding deadly force with her vehicle. The agent was in danger and had a reasonable fear for his life It almost begs the question, then, of why the other two LEOs didn’t draw _their_ weapons\*. Maybe one of them was an idiot who broke protocol, and then needed a cover story for a dirty shoot. \*Which basically _all of_ the LE/Use of Force experts I’ve seen interviewed said would weigh heavily against the claim that his actions were reasonable at the time, under the circumstances. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461.md?page=5)