# The ICE shootings in Minneapolis (1/7/2026) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2026, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461 "2026-01-08T05:32:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/101 "2026-01-08T22:20:20Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > saw one video where the agent was in front of the car and the driver ran her car to him. He fired while also jumping out of the way. She was already guily of the crime of obstruction, by interfering with an on going, legal law enforcement action. Blocking the road. ICE is a legal law enforcement agency by the way, even if you don’t like it. By refusing the orders to stop and get out of her car she was guilty of a second count of obstruction. These are minor things, get you a ticket. Videos clearly show her car in reverse at first, and then shifting into forward and hitting the ICE LEO in front of her car. Assault on a LEO, who shot her through the front windshield as he was being hit and foot run over. They are allowed to do that, defending against assault. You can disagree with police actions, but you DO need to obey commands that you are given, the rest is for courts to decide, that is why we have courts. You stop, obey, and fight it in court. You don’t win arguing by the side of the road, many people have a bad day finding that out. I am not saying that this was an appropriate action by the LEO who shot her. I do not think it was justified and they should have let her just drive off and cite her later. They could just drive to her home and arrest her. But she was in the wrong. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/102 "2026-01-08T22:27:37Z")
> [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > Assault on a LEO, who shot her through the front windshield as he was being hit and foot run over. Funny that a guy that just had his foot run over in no way acts like his foot was just run over. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/103 "2026-01-08T22:30:47Z")
Then why doesn’t DHS make an example of the _other two_ ICE agents involved for _not_ meeting deadly force with deadly force? If their partner/colleague was in iminent mortal danger, weren’t they _obligated_ to draw and fire on the driver? ETA: > [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > Assault on a LEO, who shot her through the front windshield as he was being hit and foot run over. They are allowed to do that, defending against assault. The law, [**posted above**](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shooting-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/28), doesn’t appear to support that position. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/104 "2026-01-08T22:33:34Z")
One agent told her to leave. She tried to leave, turning the wheel to avoid another agent, who shot her, when she posed no threat to anyone. That agent increased the danger to everyone by rendering the vehicle out of control (i.e. killing the driver). ---
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/105 "2026-01-08T22:41:20Z")
I was not defending the actions of the LEO in any way. I was trying to point out how her own actions contributed to this outcome. Disobeying police instrictions is usually a bad idea. It is impossible to have discussion about anything on this board any longer, the derangement is just too strong. ---
**Author:** ![stopnonstop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5f9b8f/32.png) [@stopnonstop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stopnonstop)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/106 "2026-01-08T22:43:13Z")
Jesse Welles best describes the type of person ICE attracts: [Join ICE](https://youtu.be/61I4hlig78w?si=Wxe57qxAo0nzEO2_) ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/107 "2026-01-08T22:43:24Z")
By “derangement,” is it safe to presume you mean “introducing relevant facts and applicable law to the conversation?” ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/108 "2026-01-08T22:45:09Z")
Yes, disobeying police (or even ICE thug) instructions is usually a bad idea. In this case, different agents gave her conflicting instructions. What was she supposed to do? ISTM that she, rather wisely, thought these were dangerous men who might mean to kill her (and she was proved right), so she followed the directions of the agent who told her to leave. Unfortunately, while trying to follow those instructions, another agent killed her. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/109 "2026-01-08T22:45:23Z")
Which instructions? The ones to go away, or the ones to stay put and cooperate with ICE? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/110 "2026-01-08T22:46:56Z")
> [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > I was not defending the actions of the LEO in any way. I was trying to point out how her own actions contributed to this outcome. Disobeying police instrictions is usually a bad idea. Wait, I thought she was shot for running over the ICE agent are you now claiming that it was for disobeying police instructions? ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/111 "2026-01-08T22:47:38Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > We’re all human, and in the heat of that very moment, no matter how well trained anyone is, in the heat of that very moment you’re not certain how that armed, trained person is going to react. According to a New York Times article I posted earlier, vehicle stops are a mostly new duty for ICE that they were not traditionally trained for. As for the new trainees, here’s how seriously training is being taken: [The Atlantic: Academy training was shortened to 47 days, three officials told me, the number picked because Trump is the 47th president](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/08/ice-recruitment-immigration-enforcement-billions/684000/) Think about that. In a normal presidential administration, I doubt the shooter(s) would be put on trial. Even the slightest finding of a injury from being brushed by the car makes that unlikely. The focus would be on how to stop this from happening again. And Trump has made clear his administration has no interest in that. Tom Homan did first say there would be an investigation and then had to walk it back because his bosses are fine with shooting. This is the ninth time since September that ICE agents have shot into a moving vehicle. It’s impossible to give a precise number, but based on some googling, it appears to me that ICE agents are, since September 2025, somewhere between 20 and 50 times more likely to shoot into a moving vehicle than NYPD officers. That’s a pattern. As for it being stupid to back up after police tell you to get out of the car, there is a lot of emotion going on on both sides. That’s why competent police forces train officers to box in a car before asking the driver to get out. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/112 "2026-01-08T22:49:49Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > That’s why competent police forces train officers to box in a car before asking the driver to get out. And that training should make it clear that your body is not to be used to box cars in. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/113 "2026-01-08T22:50:12Z")
Kristi Noem said that her people were stuck on the street because [one of] their vehicles had no traction: ETA: > In a detailing of what the DHS says happened Wednesday morning, Noem said that around 10:30 a.m., one of her agency’s vehicles became stuck in the snow. Law enforcement agents were attempting to push the vehicle out of the snow, Noem said, when a “mob of agitators” began blocking them in and shouting at them. Oddly, Ms. Good’s Honda Pilot seemed to ably gain purchase despite the bullet(s) in her head. Which should inspire significant confidence in the residents of Greenland, if nothing else. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/114 "2026-01-08T23:04:46Z")
**Moderating:** @Happy_Lendervedder and others, let’s avoid attacking Kristi Noem’s appearance and more on attacking their response to the event. This and a few other comments I take as gallows humor, but they’re better suited to the Pit than P&E. Note - I mentioned @Happy_Lendervedder because they seemed to be the first that went on that topic, but this guidance applies to all. No warnings though. On another note - @Bullitt, @Jack_Batty, @madmonk28 you’ve moved towards attacking the poster, not the posts. I appreciate that calmer heads have tried to bring this back, and I thank @Bullitt and @Atamasama for taking a step back from doing so. Just a reminder to all to keep your rebuttals from getting _personal_. Again, no warnings, but let’s not have any more of this here. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/115 "2026-01-08T23:19:33Z")
> [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > I was not defending the actions of the LEO in any way. This is certainly a defense of their actions. > [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > Assault on a LEO, who shot her through the front windshield as he was being hit and foot run over. They are allowed to do that, defending against assault. But more than that, it’s one thing to think that she made mistakes and didn’t handle the situation well. But it’s another thing to decide that is the important point to share with others. You explicitly said “she was in the wrong.” All the mistakes that were made – approaching the car from the front, conflicting commands, shooting when he was no longer in front of the car, and going back to the lack of training for agents and the reason they were there – all those mistakes, and you focused on the one made by a terrified woman. That’s not a defense? ---
**Author:** ![George\_Vreeland\_Hill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/george_vreeland_hill/32/20530_2.png) [@George\_Vreeland\_Hill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/George_Vreeland_Hill)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/116 "2026-01-08T23:21:00Z")
The woman parked her vehicle sideways to block ICE from doing their duty. She was then told to get out of the vehicle. When a federal agent reached for the door, the woman drove her vehicle in a manner to avoid being taken into custody. When she put her vehicle in drive, that meant that she was avoiding arrest and thus by driving away, became a fugitive from justice. She then drove toward an officer who had little time to react. Facing a vehicle coming at him, the officer was then in life threatening danger. The lawful reaction was to save his life. There are those who say she did not try to hit him. That is the same as pointing a toy gun at an officer. The intent is not to kill, but you will be the main attraction at the funeral. I am, George Vreeland Hill ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/117 "2026-01-08T23:22:29Z")
Without taking the time to _fact_check your post, are you aware of the relevant [**law**](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shooting-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/28) in situations like this one? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/118 "2026-01-08T23:22:49Z")
Bullshit. One agent told her to leave. She tried to leave, turning the wheel to avoid another agent. And that agent shot her, for trying to obey the instructions of the first agent. The videos are there for all to see. The administration’s lies don’t erase what’s recorded forever. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/119 "2026-01-08T23:23:50Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I know that the administration wants to use the excuse that he was traumatized because he had been dragged behind a different vehicle back in June during a similar stop, All that proves is that this guy is a dumb-ass, who does not have the common sense to get out of the way of a moving vehicle, and should have not been anywhere near a loaded gun. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/120 "2026-01-08T23:25:47Z")
> [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > I was not defending the actions of the LEO in any way. I was trying to point out how her own actions contributed to this outcome. Sure sure. Next stop is that the actions of a guy walking down the sidewalk that ICE shoots contributed to this outcome, because he should have been hiding in his basement, cowering in fear, like the administration wants. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461.md?page=7)