# The ICE shootings in Minneapolis (1/7/2026) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2026, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461 "2026-01-08T05:32:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/121 "2026-01-08T23:34:18Z")
By the way (, All,) I think it’s worth citing this law. It’s hugely important to each of us making determinations of right and wrong in a case like this one. We can talk all day long about morality, or other standards that involve _far_ more subjectivity, but what _should_ hold sway here is the objective legal standard to which the people involved _should_ be held: [**DEPARTMENT’S UPDATED USE-OF-FORCE POLICY (4-page PDF)**](https://www.justice.gov/d9/pages/attachments/2022/05/23/departments_updated_use-of-force_policy.pdf) ETA: Let me go one step further, because the DoJ Memo doesn’t _appear_ to call out Homeland Security directly: > **[DHS Updates Department-Wide Use of Force Policy to Advance Effective,...](https://www.dhs.gov/archive/news/2023/02/07/dhs-updates-department-wide-use-force-policy-advance-effective-accountable-law)** > > DHS Secretary Alejandro N. Mayorkas announced updates to the DHS Use of Force Policy required by President Biden’s Executive Order to Advance Effective, Accountable Policing and Strengthen Public Safety to meet or exceed the Department of Justice... > WASHINGTON – Today, Secretary of Homeland Security Alejandro N. Mayorkas announced updates to the Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) Use of Force Policy as required by President Biden’s Executive Order to Advance Effective, Accountable Policing and Strengthen Public Safety to meet or exceed the Department of Justice guidance on use of force. This policy was crafted as a result of discussions with stakeholders across the Department as well as major national labor organizations to ensure the safety of law enforcement personnel and the communities we serve. This is the first update of the Department’s Use of Force policies since 2018. So there 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/122 "2026-01-08T23:39:03Z")
That’s not a law, it’s just a policy. Violating it is not a criminal offense. See the very last paragraph: > This policy is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or > procedural, enforceable at law or equity, against the United States, its departments, > agencies, or other entities, its officer or employees, or any other person. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/123 "2026-01-08T23:40:38Z")
Fair point. I _do,_ however, think it codifies the standard to which they expect their agents and employees to be held and to hold themselves. Which may have more impact in a _civil_ suit than in a criminal proceeding, but your point is very fair. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/124 "2026-01-08T23:52:39Z")
By the way… IANAL, but I’m not sure that the updated Policy _couldn’t_ be used as the basis for filing Federal Criminal Charges. What I _am_ sure of, however, is that it would be up to the DoJ to do that, and in this case … [**Regulating Federal Law Enforcement: Considerations for Congress**](https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/LSB10500) > Federal Criminal Law: One way to regulate the behavior of federal law enforcement officers is through criminal law. The chief criminal law regulating federal, state, and local law enforcement officers is 18 U.S.C. § 242 (Section 242)—described in more depth in this Sidebar. In relevant part, that statute makes it a crime for a person “acting under the color of law” to deprive someone of their constitutionally protected rights. According to the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ), under the color of law means that an individual is acting “using power given to him or her by a governmental agency,” and it is irrelevant whether the actor is “exceeding his or her rightful power.” The Supreme Court has explained that to successfully prosecute an alleged offender—such as a police officer—under Section 242, DOJ must show that the defendant had “a specific intent to deprive a person of a federal right made definite by decision or other rule of law.” According to DOJ, which enforces Section 242, examples of misconduct prosecuted under the statute include “excessive force, sexual assault, intentional false arrests, theft, or the intentional fabrication of evidence resulting in a loss of liberty to another.” Section 242 has been used in recent years to investigate Border Patrol agents, U.S. Park Police, and FBI agents. Violations of Section 242 are punishable by fine and/or up to a year in prison or, if certain aggravating factors are present, up to life in prison or death. I would think that the updated Policy memo helps establish the bar _for_ Excessive Force. ETA: BTW, that link goes a bit into Civil Remedies in matters like this, too. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/125 "2026-01-08T23:52:46Z")
That’s a good point. There may be some realistic hope of the victim’s family finding justice in the civil courts. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/126 "2026-01-08T23:57:45Z")
> [@George\_Vreeland\_Hill](#): > > The woman parked her vehicle sideways to block ICE from doing their duty. The solution to this is to call a tow truck, not shoot her in the head. Alternately, they could have let her leave _as they ordered her to do_ instead of shooting her in the head. They gave her contradictory commands and shot her in the head for not complying. Do you want law enforcement to be able to do that without consequence? > [@George\_Vreeland\_Hill](#): > > Facing a vehicle coming at him, the officer was then in life threatening danger. Yes, the officer is placing himself in life threatening danger when he stands in the middle of the road where his fellow officers are directing traffic. You would think he would know that. The officer through his actions has also placed _every cop in the US_ in life threatening danger. Now while I think this endangerment should certainly result in some level of administrative punishment for the trigger-happy officer, I would **not** advocate for shooting him in the head. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/127 "2026-01-09T00:06:13Z")
I just watched the NBC news to see if I could glean any more about what really happened. I’m as angry at the right’s rush to demonize this woman as a ‘domestic terrorist’ with little or no actual facts of what actually happened, as I am at the actual killing. Fucking Vance is calling her an arm or instrument of the lunatic left and saying anybody can clearly see in the video that she was trying to ram the ICE agent. I’ve heard everything from that and similar things Noem said, to that she was just driving home after dropping off her kid at school. But whether she was actively trying to block ICE activities, or was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time, Vance saying anyone can see she was trying to ram the ICE agent is bullshit. I’ve watched the video several times-- she was clearly trying to turn away from the ICE agents and get away from there. And the argument that ‘well, she should have complied with the order to stop and get out of the vehicle’ is specious at best. It’s not like she’s one of the FBI’s top 10 most wanted fleeing from a bank robbery. To say nothing of the extra two shots after the initial shot. This was, if not outright murder, it was reckless, criminal manslaughter committed by a hastily recruited, poorly trained, likely trigger-happy person ludicrously unfit for the job. Hired by a thuggish administration and sent to Minneapolis because of a ginned-up fictional Somali daycare scandal conspiracy theory. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/128 "2026-01-09T00:06:41Z")
Fucking great. There are early reports here in Portland OR that two people were shot about 2 hours ago by ICE agents. Both are reportedly in the hospital. No other details yet. ---
**Author:** ![George\_Vreeland\_Hill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/george_vreeland_hill/32/20530_2.png) [@George\_Vreeland\_Hill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/George_Vreeland_Hill)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/129 "2026-01-09T00:08:07Z")
No. She drove off to avoid the first officer who was reaching for the door handle. If she was obeying the law, then why did she back up and then pull forward so quickly? The woman went there to cause trouble and thus because of her actions, became the problem. It’s a shame this happened, but you can’t act like that. It solves nothing, but it can change your life and not for the better. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/130 "2026-01-09T00:09:27Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > The state probably doesn’t even have a name of someone to charge. Jonathan Ross > **[ICE officer who shot Renee Good identified in court records as Jonathan Ross](https://apnews.com/live/minneapolis-ice-shooting-updates-1-8-2026)** > > The Minneapolis shooting of Renee Good by an ICE officer will be investigated solely by the FBI, which has barred Minnesota investigators from accessing evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/131 "2026-01-09T00:10:32Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > No other details yet. Here is an article. > **[US Border agents shoot, wound two people in Portland, city officials say](https://katu.com/news/local/ice-shoots-two-people-in-portlandoregon)** > > U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents shot two people in Portland on Thursday afternoon, according to the FBI, Portland police and city officials.Portland p It was Border Patrol, and the two gunshot victims are believed to have survived their wounds so far at least. While this is tangentially related, it’s worth pointing out that this is a new event unrelated to the Minneapolis shooting, and I’m not sure if this thread is the best one to discuss it. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/132 "2026-01-09T00:15:32Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > While this is tangentially related, it’s worth pointing out that this is a new event unrelated to the Minneapolis shooting, and I’m not sure if this thread is the best one to discuss it. Hopefully it’s completely unrelated. I should wait for real info to come out, sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/133 "2026-01-09T00:15:35Z")
> [@George\_Vreeland\_Hill](#): > > The woman went there to cause trouble How do you know her motivation for being there? ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/134 "2026-01-09T00:24:30Z")
> [@George\_Vreeland\_Hill](#): > > The woman went there to cause trouble and thus because of her actions, became the problem. The same is true for ICE though. They are not accomplishing anything. They have made their own mission much more difficult and put their fellow officers in danger across the country. None of this was necessary and they have gained nothing from it. How many immigrants were kicked out of America because of Agent Ross shooting a US citizen in the head? Have they succeeded by _any_ metric they are using for their unnecessary mission? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/135 "2026-01-09T00:26:03Z")
> [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > I was not defending the actions of the LEO in any way. I was trying to point out how her own actions contributed to this outcome. Like the January 6th Capitol deaths, the actions of Trump and his administration contributed to this result. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/136 "2026-01-09T00:33:19Z")
> [@solost](#): > > And the argument that ‘well, she should have complied with the order to stop and get out of the vehicle’ is specious at best. Because there is a non zero probability that if you have an encounter like this with ICE that you will be arrested and held for days if not weeks with no, legitimate, justification by a government that has made clear that it desires to deport citizens. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/137 "2026-01-09T00:35:17Z")
The more you act like illegitimate, lawless marauders in masks, the more people are going to treat you like you are illegitimate, lawless marauders in masks. “How many murders do we need to commit to convince people we are here to protect them?” ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/138 "2026-01-09T00:39:00Z")
Bullshit. When someone is shot, and they never took any action that endangered anyone, the shooter is the one responsible. No one was in any danger, other than the driver, until she was shot. Once the agent shot her, everyone was in danger because the vehicle was no longer in control. The agent endangered everyone with his murderous stupidity. The driver endangered no one at all - she was just trying to leave, as the first officer instructed her to. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/139 "2026-01-09T01:09:38Z")
I sure wouldn’t want to be a man who happened to be named Jonathan Ross, and had nothing to do with this, in the days to come. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461/140 "2026-01-09T01:18:21Z")
Just for general information, I tried three times to join the Indivisible zoom call on the event (which I had RSVP’d for) and wasn’t able to join due to the call being at capacity. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ice-shootings-in-minneapolis-1-7-2026/1026461.md?page=8)