The ICE shootings in Minneapolis (1/7/2026)

I am coming to the conclusion that the arrest is the point, not an intermediate step towards incarcerating someone.

So many Trump-fueled arrests have been made, but so few have resulted in jail time. This many not indicate a weakness in the procedure, but a known flaw that cops can exploit.

Arresting someone is traumatic, especially if the arrest is sudden, unexpected, or violent. This, too, may be intentional.

Very long time ago, I was subjected to this kind of treatment in a very trivial way compared to today’s actions, but it taught me how the system worked.

Briefly, here’s the story. I stopped to politely ask an officer why he was blocking traffic on a freeway for no apparent reason. I didn’t like his answer, so I began to write down his name and badge number, nothing else. There were no angry words exchanged, no threats made, and no brandishing of weapons. An absolutely civil exchange.

Before I finished writing, the officer grabbed my arm, spun me around, and put me in handcuffs. He refused to tell me why: “You’ll find out soon enough.”

I was placed in his police cruiser and taken to the county jail, not by a direct route, but the long way, as he had some other business to take care of on the way.

I was booked and put in a holding cell; not allowed a phone call for at least 8 hours and mocked by the officers who were watching.

I was finally able to be bailed out and went to court the following day. The judge said, “You are free to go; no charges have been filed.” I was puzzled, but came to realize that the arrest was the thing, as the cops knew that they had no charge that would stick.

But wait, there’s more. 5+ years later there was a knock on my mom’s door. A cop had a warrant for my arrest. Wisely, she did not tell him where I was, but when he left empty-handed, called me. It took some time for me to figure out what the fuss was about – I was out of state indefinitely, and didn’t think extradition was likely.

The next day, I was able to contact the judge who issued the warrant, who was very nice and conversational. After listening to me, he said that what probably happened was the original cop planned this from the start, obtained an arrest warrant long ago (on what charge?), then deliberately put the paper in his desk and falsely claimed it had been served. He knew that, given enough time, I might be stopped for anything – a minor traffic violation – and when the records were checked, I would immediately be placed in jail as an outlaw, fugitive, or bail jumper.

Luckily, none of this happened and I am no longer worried (the judge said forget it if you’re permanently out of state).

But all of this was undoubtedly caused only by the desire of a vindictive cop to “punish” me the only way he could and still get away with it. The arrest IS the thing.

Most of the people I represent in my criminal defense practice are guilty of what they are accused of. But occasionally they aren’t.

In those cases, we can sometimes get the charges dropped, or go to trial and have the person exonerated.

“So what happens next?” they usually ask.

“You get to go home.”

No compensation, no apology. Your reputation may be ruined. You may have lost a job, or ended relationships, because of what you were accused of doing.

But if you are cleared of wrongdoing, you just get to go back to your life.

I had a client who was arrested for shoplifting. Then, when she was in the back of the patrol car (which the cop hadn’t locked) she got out and ran through the parking lot before being tackled.

Cop was pissed, and told her when she was arrested “I’m going to fuck you over.”

He then brought her to the station, and processed the arrest, but only for the shoplifting charge.

He then wrote up a second report for the escape, and got an arrest warrant issued.

As soon as she bonded out for her shoplifting charge, she had a warrant for her arrest. They arrested her at the impound lot where they had taken her car when she was arrested. She had gone there to retrieve her car, and the cops had told the impound lot operator to let them know when she arrived.

(Being my client, she also had drugs on her when they arrested her a 2nd time - enough for a trafficking charge. She’s actually doing well in an inpatient treatment center right now)

I think the judge is saying that, if they follow their own rules, the end result is the same. However, if they don’t follow their own rules, having the TRO in place can change the result from slap on the wrist for not following your own guidelines to an actual contempt of court finding, which could result in other charges, fines, etc.

A restraining order certainly has more power than internal guidelines.

The term of art in current media coverage is “detain” or “detainment”. I have no doubt you are 100% right about this.

Legal Eagle’s two most recent videos said about the same thing. They’re doing it for the memes. They’re arresting people even when they know their cases aren’t likely to go anywhere. They can say they arrested the person, they can spread (sometimes AI edited) images of the person in handcuffs, they can ruin the person’s life and then that’s it. In a few months, ask someone if they remember Don Lemon getting arrested, assuming they do, ask them whatever became of it. Did he go to jail? Did the case get tossed? The right is well aware that their base really only looks at headlines, rarely reads the articles and likely isn’t even exposed to the followup.

I’m not entirely sure where the line is for what we can and can’t post in this thread so I won’t post inline videos, but here’s the two Legal Eagle videos I’m talking about. To be clear, these videos are about the arrests of people involved with church protest against ICE, but I’m linking to because they discuss arresting people purely to send a message and not because there’s any evidence at all they broke the laws they’re being arrested for. 1 2

re: Illegally detaining people for alleged immigration violations

Hundreds of detainees (or more) are now challenging their detainment. Assuming they can get it filed in right jurisdiction (which the Gov’t intentionally moves people to make this difficult to know), the detainee is easily winning which results in their release or gets ICE to handle their immigration case properly. They are filing writs of habeas corpus (“ICE Warden” under what law are you detaining that person = none). This has surged in recent months, most recently with the 5-year old boy who was detained and later released using this writ to challenge his detention (the Judge cited the Magna f’n Carta in his opinion granting release). I imagine there are many who don’t have access to a lawyer to properly challenge their detention to a federal Judge.

Conversely, ICE has a quota of arrests to make and it doesn’t matter the end result. The only thing that’s counted toward the quota is the arrest itself. So they’re just loading up detainees with no care if it’s remotely valid or no.

The violent way ICE goes about it is in addition to this crazy quota policy. Obviously, people in Minneapolis are protesting these ICE policies, and how they are carried out, which has resulted in two shooting deaths so far.

Just to provide some context for people, to remind people why Trump has made ICE and CBP act so aggressively, why they have been so rushed and sloppy, why the standards have dropped so much in terms of expectations for agents and what training they undergo, it started with this.

While campaigning, President-elect Donald Trump promised “On day one, I will launch the largest deportation program of criminals in the history of America.” He referenced 1954’s “Operation Wetback,” an effort ordered by President Dwight D. Eisenhower. Government estimates showed more than a million mostly Mexican immigrants and some U.S. citizens were rounded up. The program got its official name from a racist term for Mexicans who swam or waded across the Rio Grande.

He also said he would use the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 to precipitate the removal of undocumented migrants from the U.S. and “dismantle every migrant criminal network operating on American soil” at an Oct. 25 campaign rally.

That led directly to the fiasco in Minneapolis, and the horrible crimes being inflicted on people in the city, including the two murder victims killed by federal agents.

Moderating:
The above post is fine for this thread, but any deeper discussion on the non-Minneapolis shootings aspect of this should be in a different or new thread.

I like that idea, and I think it’s worth having a thread in P&E on the overall immigration strategy by the Trump administration. I’ll use the bulk of my last post for the OP. Thank you for the suggestion. :slight_smile:

ETA: Here is a link to the new thread:

That might also give an outlet to people who want to veer into tangents in this thread and don’t want to participate in the anti-ICE thread in the Pit.