# The iiandyiiii guide to white supremacists and their enablers/tolerators **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 19, 2019, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iiandyiiii-guide-to-white-supremacists-and-their-enablers-tolerators/828017 "2019-01-19T01:17:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2019, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iiandyiiii-guide-to-white-supremacists-and-their-enablers-tolerators/828017/21 "2019-01-20T17:43:59Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > It’s like regular whiteness, but with guacamole and sour cream. Yup. Supreme is the large size, with more stuff 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2019, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iiandyiiii-guide-to-white-supremacists-and-their-enablers-tolerators/828017/22 "2019-01-20T17:52:03Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > … he didn’t provide a counterargument to anything anyone said. He just implied an ulterior motive. It can’t be that we are actually upset at him for the vile things he has said. It must be white supremacy. … I’ve already lost a lot of respect for him over how much he’s bent over backwards for that asshole in the past. Still, most other Dopers who were willing to give him a chance have clued in to who **Huey Freedman** really is. Even an angry black man can be a vile human being who is only here to try to hurt those who aren’t like him. Eventually a reasonable person, or one who is not a total moron has to say … “I don’t give a damn about your motives or excuses, you’re just no damn good and that’s that”. **When People Show You Who They Are, Believe Them.** ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2019, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iiandyiiii-guide-to-white-supremacists-and-their-enablers-tolerators/828017/23 "2019-01-20T18:39:37Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Uh oh, looks like some white people need some safe spaces. I’ll add “kiss ass” to “hysterical” in my mental map of you. **Huey** ’s not going to become your friend if you mindlessly parrot his nastiness. ---
**Author:** ![HelenTroy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helentroy/32/86_2.png) [@HelenTroy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenTroy)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2019, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iiandyiiii-guide-to-white-supremacists-and-their-enablers-tolerators/828017/24 "2019-01-20T21:14:25Z")
> [@Hellestal](#): > > I don’t like the animus in that thread not because Huey doesn’t deserve the more intelligent criticisms he’s receiving (it’s indisputable that he does) but because _the very fact that he deserves the better criticisms_ opens up some sinister racial undertones to the lower-quality criticisms that I do not like at all. The attitude I’m picking up, whether fair or not, is: “HERE’s a black guy who FINALLY deserves what’s coming to him! It’s OPEN SEASON on this one!” And so all of the rhetorical guns come out. It feels like all the previous times when people had to bite back their tongue when they didn’t want to be challenged by a black guy built up a lot of pressure, and now that there’s a “deserving” target, that entire reservoir of animus can come out at once. I do not like it. Fair or not, that’s the attitude I think I’m picking up, and I do not like it. This is it for me. I mostly read and laugh at the outdated and out of touch postings here while rarely posting myself. I’ve been chastised for posting links to The Root from some calling it a hate site…and not long after saw others do the same. But that’s beside the point, other than my own amusement over which messenger is listened to! There is a valid point to the pitting, but I absolutely see the near glee which some are approaching getting the chance to attack a black person. Not just to pit him, which is totally valid. It’s just many comments show a very thin veneer covering some deep-seated racism that is dying to come out. I’m not going to defend Huey in this, although I’ve definitely appreciated his voice on various topics in the past. I’m also not going to pretend I don’t see iiandyiiii’s and Hellestal’s points. This board is intensely racist and misogynist and dated in the very worst way - by pretending not to be. ---
**Author:** ![HelenTroy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helentroy/32/86_2.png) [@HelenTroy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenTroy)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2019, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iiandyiiii-guide-to-white-supremacists-and-their-enablers-tolerators/828017/25 "2019-01-20T21:24:16Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I see no trolling here. Like it or not, **iiandyiiii** is defending a racist, ableist shitstain of a human being. He’s pulling out the tricks that I call others out on. > > Notice how he didn’t provide a counterargument to anything anyone said. He just implied an ulterior motive. It can’t be that we are actually upset at him for the vile things he has said. It must be white supremacy. Sure, he says “some” to give plausible deniability, but he doesn’t name a single white supremacist argument. That’s not actually different than those who try to argue, for instance, that we’re all really for open borders or want to take away their guns. > > Now I’m giving him a bit of slack due to my personal history with him, and knowing he’s a decent guy. I’ve invited him to point out the actual white supremacy, and to argue against people, while also condemning the vile stuff that **Huey Freedman** has said. > > I hope he does it. I’ve already lost a lot of respect for him over how much he’s bent over backwards for that asshole in the past. Still, most other Dopers who were willing to give him a chance have clued in to who **Huey Freedman** really is. Even an angry black man can be a vile human being who is only here to try to hurt those who aren’t like him. Most people are clued into what a sanctimonious asshole you are and yet you feel the need to lecture others. Step down, Dollar Store Moralist. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2019, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iiandyiiii-guide-to-white-supremacists-and-their-enablers-tolerators/828017/26 "2019-01-20T22:32:09Z")
> [@HelenTroy](#): > > This is it for me. I mostly read and laugh at the outdated and out of touch postings here while rarely posting myself. I’ve been chastised for posting links to The Root from some calling it a hate site…and not long after saw others do the same. But that’s beside the point, other than my own amusement over which messenger is listened to! There is a valid point to the pitting, but I absolutely see the near glee which some are approaching getting the chance to attack a black person. Not just to pit him, which is totally valid. It’s just many comments show a very thin veneer covering some deep-seated racism that is dying to come out. > > I’m not going to defend Huey in this, although I’ve definitely appreciated his voice on various topics in the past. I’m also not going to pretend I don’t see iiandyiiii’s and Hellestal’s points. This board is intensely racist and misogynist and dated in the very worst way - by pretending not to be. That’s nonsense. Treating people equally means treating people equally. No special rules for fragile pet classes in order to build favor and then exploit. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2019, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iiandyiiii-guide-to-white-supremacists-and-their-enablers-tolerators/828017/27 "2019-01-20T22:49:51Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > That’s nonsense. Treating people equally means treating people equally. No special rules for fragile pet classes in order to build favor and then exploit. No context. No context! YOU’RE the context! ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2019, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iiandyiiii-guide-to-white-supremacists-and-their-enablers-tolerators/828017/28 "2019-01-20T23:08:58Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > No context. No context! YOU’RE the context! Yeah… use meaningless gibberish to hypocritically excuse bigotry and you wonder why modern liberalism is in trouble. ---
**Author:** ![WernhamHogg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a587f6/32.png) [@WernhamHogg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WernhamHogg)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2019, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iiandyiiii-guide-to-white-supremacists-and-their-enablers-tolerators/828017/29 "2019-01-20T23:13:42Z")
Let me guess - “fragile pet classes” are any group that doesn’t have you as a member. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2019, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iiandyiiii-guide-to-white-supremacists-and-their-enablers-tolerators/828017/30 "2019-01-20T23:20:35Z")
> [@WernhamHogg](#): > > Let me guess - “fragile pet classes” are any group that doesn’t have you as a member. That’s purely coincidental! ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iiandyiiii-guide-to-white-supremacists-and-their-enablers-tolerators/828017/31 "2019-01-21T01:17:18Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Yeah… use meaningless gibberish to hypocritically excuse bigotry This is why using an irony meter on the Internet voids the warranty. > [@](#): > > and you wonder why modern liberalism is in trouble. Robust progressivism absolutely crushed the last election, whereas weak-tea neoliberalism lost the previous one, so no, actually, I wonder no such thing. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iiandyiiii-guide-to-white-supremacists-and-their-enablers-tolerators/828017/32 "2019-01-21T03:40:00Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > This is why using an irony meter on the Internet voids the warranty. > > Robust progressivism absolutely crushed the last election, whereas weak-tea neoliberalism lost the previous one, so no, actually, I wonder no such thing. Brazil, politics in Europe and America give you hope then? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iiandyiiii-guide-to-white-supremacists-and-their-enablers-tolerators/828017/33 "2019-01-21T03:53:43Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > That’s nonsense. Treating people equally means treating people equally. No special rules for fragile pet classes in order to build favor and then exploit. That’s ridiculous. People don’t have equal needs. People who have diabetes need insulin. People who don’t have diabetes don’t need insulin. Equal treatment would insist on either giving everyone insulin or giving nobody insulin. Both of those plans would kill people. Black people in America suffer far more from racism than white people in America do. So black people in America should get more protection from racism than white people in America get. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iiandyiiii-guide-to-white-supremacists-and-their-enablers-tolerators/828017/34 "2019-01-21T03:55:37Z")
> [@WernhamHogg](#): > > Let me guess - “fragile pet classes” are any group that doesn’t have you as a member. Are you kidding? There’s nothing more fragile than a white man whining about how he’s not getting the special treatment he thinks he deserves. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iiandyiiii-guide-to-white-supremacists-and-their-enablers-tolerators/828017/35 "2019-01-21T04:12:51Z")
White supremacists are some of the most fragile people in the world. The only thing white supremacists are more afraid of than people of color, queer people, and black and brown skinned immigrants is other white folks that aren’t afraid of people of color, queer people, and black and brown skinned immigrants. White supremacists are the true “snowflakes” who can’t compete on a level playing ground. This is why they won’t accept the “prejudice plus power” definition that would make the term racist a useful term. They are too cowardly to even have a conversation that is framed in the way the people speaking to them intend. Their fragile terrified asses are to terrified to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iiandyiiii-guide-to-white-supremacists-and-their-enablers-tolerators/828017/36 "2019-01-21T04:25:32Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Uh oh, looks like some white people need some safe spaces. From Trump? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iiandyiiii-guide-to-white-supremacists-and-their-enablers-tolerators/828017/37 "2019-01-21T05:05:51Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > That’s ridiculous. People don’t have equal needs. People who have diabetes need insulin. People who don’t have diabetes don’t need insulin. Equal treatment would insist on either giving everyone insulin or giving nobody insulin. Both of those plans would kill people. > > Black people in America suffer far more from racism than white people in America do. So black people in America should get more protection from racism than white people in America get. Oh goodness, you don’t real equality do you? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iiandyiiii-guide-to-white-supremacists-and-their-enablers-tolerators/828017/38 "2019-01-21T05:07:13Z")
> [@rat\_avatar](#): > > White supremacists are some of the most fragile people in the world. > > The only thing white supremacists are more afraid of than people of color, queer people, and black and brown skinned immigrants is other white folks that aren’t afraid of people of color, queer people, and black and brown skinned immigrants. > > White supremacists are the true “snowflakes” who can’t compete on a level playing ground. This is why they won’t accept the “prejudice plus power” definition that would make the term racist a useful term. They are too cowardly to even have a conversation that is framed in the way the people speaking to them intend. Their fragile terrified asses are to terrified to do so. And that’s even more nonsensical than your usual forays into politics. Stick to being a Chronos jr and talk about physics. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iiandyiiii-guide-to-white-supremacists-and-their-enablers-tolerators/828017/39 "2019-01-21T05:21:17Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > And that’s even more nonsensical than your usual forays into politics. Stick to being a Chronos jr and talk about physics. I wouldn’t expect a “men’s right” advocate such as yourself to understand how to open a package of potato-chips let alone understand social constructs and issues. I am surprised you didn’t resort to calling me a SJW!!! ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iiandyiiii-guide-to-white-supremacists-and-their-enablers-tolerators/828017/40 "2019-01-21T06:00:10Z")
> [@rat\_avatar](#): > > I wouldn’t expect a “men’s right” advocate such as yourself to understand how to open a package of potato-chips let alone understand social constructs and issues. I am surprised you didn’t resort to calling me a SJW!!! I have servants for the Pringle’s openings. Seriously though, why is it so hard to get it through the thick skulls on this forum that double standards aren’t the solution to double standards? It’s almost as if you folks like the backlash against hypocrisy. See, having one set of standards and proper definitions deprives the left of an intellectually dishonest linguistic bludgeon. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iiandyiiii-guide-to-white-supremacists-and-their-enablers-tolerators/828017.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iiandyiiii-guide-to-white-supremacists-and-their-enablers-tolerators/828017.md?page=3)