# The imPEACHment Pit Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 20, 2019, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impeachment-pit-thread/843685 "2019-11-20T02:43:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![racepug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@racepug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racepug)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impeachment-pit-thread/843685/81 "2019-11-20T21:24:22Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > I’m having to limit myself to three hours per day of these hearings. Otherwise blood will start spurting from my eyes and ears. Listening to these GOP nincompoops try to twist the words and deeds of decent, loyal Americans just boils me. I’m with ya on that. That’s why I’m not bothering to watch or listen to any of it. ---
**Author:** ![racepug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@racepug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racepug)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impeachment-pit-thread/843685/82 "2019-11-20T21:28:38Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Sad but true. > > These are people who think of politics as a team sport. And if your team bribes the ref, or puts noxious substances in the other teams gatorade, or pays someone to kneecap the other quarterback in a parking lot… Well that’s just fine, as long as your team wins. Or as I put it a while back, elsewhere: “If ya ain’t cheatin’, ya ain’t tryin’” appears to be Republicans’ credo these days. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impeachment-pit-thread/843685/83 "2019-11-20T21:29:08Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Really? Linky, please? [Picture](https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/11/20/nyregion/20dc-trump3/20dc-trump3-superJumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp) [More](https://www.vox.com/2019/11/20/20974383/trump-big-sharpie-notes-on-impeachment-testimony) ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impeachment-pit-thread/843685/84 "2019-11-20T21:29:37Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Yeah, maybe don’t care isn’t the right description, they don’t disapprove which is more alarming. It’s difficult for people to admit they are wrong, and were lied-to, and they took the bait. They don’t want to look stupid, even if they feel that way. Trump has told so many lies and his supporters drink it in every day - they are so far in at this point there is no way out. They cannot just up and say “welp, you libruls were right about that Trump guy. He sure is a scumbag, trouncing on our good Constitution like that, selling access to the White House. Lock him up!” He is their man and they are going to stick with him no matter what the facts say. Doing anything else would mean you are a non-loyal traitor. ---
**Author:** ![JcWoman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jcwoman/32/2889_2.png) [@JcWoman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JcWoman)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impeachment-pit-thread/843685/85 "2019-11-20T21:31:52Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Really? Linky, please? I was going to post a link for you but the Google results reminded me that it’s a hilarious and somewhat long story so it’s better if you do it yourself and enjoy. Just search for “Sharpie NOAA Map”, and the first few pages of hits give you the full story. The image of the map is fantastic, too. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impeachment-pit-thread/843685/86 "2019-11-20T21:34:13Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Really? Linky, please? [Article and photos here.](https://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-ukraine-talking-points-photo-sharpie-2019-11) Warning! Business Insider is " Left-Center Biased based on story selection that leans left" according to Media Bias Factcheck. This means that they are all socialist Never-Trumpers who cannot be trusted. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impeachment-pit-thread/843685/87 "2019-11-20T21:35:33Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > It’s difficult for people to admit they are wrong, and were lied-to, and they took the bait. They don’t want to look stupid, even if they feel that way. Trump has told so many lies and his supporters drink it in every day - they are so far in at this point there is no way out. They cannot just up and say “welp, you libruls were right about that Trump guy. He sure is a scumbag, trouncing on our good Constitution like that, selling access to the White House. Lock him up!” > > He is their man and they are going to stick with him no matter what the facts say. Doing anything else would mean you are a non-loyal traitor. AKA: It’s a cult, and they are all members. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impeachment-pit-thread/843685/88 "2019-11-20T21:36:03Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Do you have any doubt in your mind - ANY doubt whatsoever, that when a Democrat is in the Whitehouse, the Republicans will open up impeachment on DAY ONE on some idiotic QAnon conspiracy theory? Because of course they will. > > In fact, I would wager that if by some horrible luck Ginsberg is suddenly struck down, with 5 days to go in a Trump presidency, the Senate and Turtle man will try to rush through a Supreme Court appointment. Because of course they will. The entire portion of the government taken over by Trump Republicans is like the 7th grade slow larnin’ class is in charge. You can hear the “Nyeah!! Nyeah!! Nyeah!!” every time they open their yaps. And that’s exactly why their supporters swoon over them. Remember when government was comprised of the best and brightest? I miss that. As for the Ginsberg thing… just hush. Please. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impeachment-pit-thread/843685/89 "2019-11-20T21:40:34Z")
> [@JcWoman](#): > > I was going to post a link for you but the Google results reminded me that it’s a hilarious and somewhat long story so it’s better if you do it yourself and enjoy. Just search for “Sharpie NOAA Map”, and the first few pages of hits give you the full story. The image of the map is fantastic, too. Thanks. I remembered about the NOAA map thing, and **Thelma Lou** very kindly provided me with the “I WANT NOTHING” image. ---
**Author:** ![racepug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@racepug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racepug)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impeachment-pit-thread/843685/90 "2019-11-20T21:47:30Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > It’s difficult for people to admit they are wrong, and were lied-to, and they took the bait. They don’t want to look stupid, even if they feel that way. Trump has told so many lies and his supporters drink it in every day - they are so far in at this point there is no way out. They cannot just up and say “welp, you libruls were right about that Trump guy. He sure is a scumbag, trouncing on our good Constitution like that, selling access to the White House. Lock him up!” > > He is their man and they are going to stick with him no matter what the facts say. Doing anything else would mean you are a non-loyal traitor. That and they’re perfectly happy with things as they are as long as no “Godless Democrat” is running the country. Did you see the recent story about that lamebrain in Alabama who knifed the Trump baby balloon? He regards his “fight” as one between “good and evil.” That’s right - Trumpies actually believe that they’re on the side of “good” in all this. ---
**Author:** ![racepug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@racepug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racepug)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impeachment-pit-thread/843685/91 "2019-11-20T21:48:33Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > AKA: It’s a cult, and they are all members. Affirmative. ---
**Author:** ![Kron](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kron/32/12444_2.png) [@Kron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kron)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impeachment-pit-thread/843685/92 "2019-11-20T21:57:37Z")
I heard the audio from the “I want nothing. I want nothing.” speech on NPR. Dude, you are a few months too late for that. Do you think that saying it NOW is going to present some credible defense later? ---
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impeachment-pit-thread/843685/93 "2019-11-20T22:07:32Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Why exactly did the United States send this wealthy hotelier to one of its most important overseas postings rather than an experienced diplomat? … The short answer is that **Sondland donated $1 million to Trump’s inauguration committee**. > According to the most recent AFSA data, 45 percent of the ambassadors appointed under Rrump are political appointments, the most of any modern president. He has also stacked the corridors of Foggy Bottom with political appointees — at present, only a handful of assistant secretaries of state are career Foreign Service officers. Who would have thought that being in charge of diplomacy with our most important allies, plus one brave country fighting corruption _and_ freedom’s biggest foe, is not a job for amateurs? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impeachment-pit-thread/843685/94 "2019-11-20T22:08:17Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Has anyone else seen the pathetic sharpie note that Trump just read from? Huge letters in black sharpie, filling the page: > > "“I want nothing. I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo. Tell Zellinsky to do the right thing. This is the final word from the Pres. of the U.S.” Sgt. Drumpfenschultz. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impeachment-pit-thread/843685/95 "2019-11-20T22:13:49Z")
> [@Kron](#): > > I heard the audio from the “I want nothing. I want nothing.” speech on NPR. > > Dude, you are a few months too late for that. Do you think that saying it NOW is going to present some credible defense later? And he still wants Zelensky to “do the right thing” by announcing a Biden investigation. As if that were a noble or even defensible thing to ask. ---
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impeachment-pit-thread/843685/96 "2019-11-20T22:15:13Z")
The [college dropout](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Sondland) learns that note-taking is not a bad idea after all. No offense to dropouts. Sondland started small and became a billionaire with relatively little outside help. (He started with a generous loan from a wealthy brother-in-law.) Say what you will, he’s smart and savvy. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impeachment-pit-thread/843685/97 "2019-11-20T22:29:22Z")
> [@racepug](#): > > You made HD lose his temper without getting in trouble with any moderators here? You have earned my eternal respect. Yep. He lost it and directed profanities at me, and I was totally inside the lines. I don’t want to detail the trajectory ( gotta protect my sources and methods:) ) it wasnt just one post, but I got it there. We both got told to cut it out and I pushed back a little bit in the ATMB forum, still no warning. But, in retrospect, I’m thinking he cut a deal with management because he took a 7 week hiatus afterwards. And I will add that there were a few things that happened in the GD forum that led me to believe he might occasionally read the Pit. So I keep that in mind. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impeachment-pit-thread/843685/98 "2019-11-20T22:53:36Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > And I will add that there were a few things that happened in the GD forum that led me to believe he might occasionally read the Pit. So I keep that in mind. Oh, I’m sure it’s a regular reader her. If you listen closely, you can hear the faint sounds… (fap fap fap fap fap fap) ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impeachment-pit-thread/843685/99 "2019-11-20T22:55:42Z")
> [@HelenGawn](#): > > The [college dropout](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Sondland) learns that note-taking is not a bad idea after all. > > No offense to dropouts. Sondland started small and became a billionaire with relatively little outside help. (He started with a generous loan from a wealthy brother-in-law.) Say what you will, he’s smart and savvy. For what it’s worth, Sondland came off (to me, at least) as very likable and comfortable in the situation. He did not seem overly prepared (perhaps too a fault?) but that only helped his credibility. I don’t think he was lying during the earlier deposition either, although we only have the transcript of that one he does seem like the person who flies by the seat of his pants and is comfortable walking into a meeting unprepared, taking no notes, and getting through on personality. I’m also not a note taker, but I rely heavily on my email history to reconstruct previous conversations, and he really does seem hamstrung by not having access to that. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impeachment-pit-thread/843685/100 "2019-11-20T23:04:11Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Ditka should change is name to **Pussy Comitatus**. Or **Harry Palms** : > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Oh, I’m sure it’s a regular reader her. If you listen closely, you can hear the faint sounds… > > (fap fap fap fap fap fap) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impeachment-pit-thread/843685.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impeachment-pit-thread/843685.md?page=6)