# The Impending Attempt to Oust Speaker McCarthy {10/1/2023}; Patrick McHenry is now Speaker Pro Tempore {2023-10-03} **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 1, 2023, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impending-attempt-to-oust-speaker-mccarthy-10-1-2023-patrick-mchenry-is-now-speaker-pro-tempore-2023-10-03/990958 "2023-10-01T15:58:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impending-attempt-to-oust-speaker-mccarthy-10-1-2023-patrick-mchenry-is-now-speaker-pro-tempore-2023-10-03/990958/461 "2023-10-05T22:54:33Z")
My MAGA brother is convinced the Speaker of the House is immune to prosecution, and all legal actions against Trump will end as soon as he is elected Speaker. I’m sure he heard it on Fox. ---
**Author:** ![glowacks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/glowacks/32/5548_2.png) [@glowacks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glowacks)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impending-attempt-to-oust-speaker-mccarthy-10-1-2023-patrick-mchenry-is-now-speaker-pro-tempore-2023-10-03/990958/462 "2023-10-05T22:57:07Z")
I can’t imagine that Trump could actually correctly serve in the role of Speaker. He’d have absolutely no idea what the rules are like and/or just make up rules on the spot to serve whatever he wanted to do. If the House parliamentarian tried to object, he’d just insult and ignore them, speaking every louder and getting all the more applause from his faithful. I’m not even sure what would happen at that point, as I don’t know what means the parliamentarian has to deal with someone who doesn’t care what the rules are. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impending-attempt-to-oust-speaker-mccarthy-10-1-2023-patrick-mchenry-is-now-speaker-pro-tempore-2023-10-03/990958/463 "2023-10-05T23:24:09Z")
Moderating: > [@JohnT](#): > > Now I know what the Romans felt as they saw the rise of a crazy religion that had their God rape a teenaged girl so she could bear his son, a son that God would then allow to be crucified for the benefit of his crucifiers. A post like this one does not contribute to a meaningful discussion of the topic of the thread. It’s deliberately provocative. Further, you are hijacking the thread by waving a red cape in front of Christians, who are bound to feel shat upon with such a post and will feel compelled to respond. You know better. Don’t do this again. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impending-attempt-to-oust-speaker-mccarthy-10-1-2023-patrick-mchenry-is-now-speaker-pro-tempore-2023-10-03/990958/464 "2023-10-06T00:39:20Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > [Jim Jordan says he discussed speaker bid with Trump and wouldn't oust Gaetz from GOP caucus](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/jim-jordan-says-discussed-speaker-bid-trump-wouldnt-oust-gaetz-gop-cau-rcna118981) Jim Jordan discussed with President Biden? There is no President Trump. Still with the denial, Jimbo. !!!??? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impending-attempt-to-oust-speaker-mccarthy-10-1-2023-patrick-mchenry-is-now-speaker-pro-tempore-2023-10-03/990958/465 "2023-10-06T00:49:49Z")
Technically Jordan doesn’t call Trump “President” Trump, he has some kind of incredibly nervous inflection that results in “Presint Trump”. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impending-attempt-to-oust-speaker-mccarthy-10-1-2023-patrick-mchenry-is-now-speaker-pro-tempore-2023-10-03/990958/466 "2023-10-06T01:01:12Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > There is no President Trump. There sorta is. People still will call Trump “President” as an honorific. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impending-attempt-to-oust-speaker-mccarthy-10-1-2023-patrick-mchenry-is-now-speaker-pro-tempore-2023-10-03/990958/467 "2023-10-06T01:01:59Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > People still will call Trump “President” as an honorific Like President Carter, just a whole lot less deserving ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impending-attempt-to-oust-speaker-mccarthy-10-1-2023-patrick-mchenry-is-now-speaker-pro-tempore-2023-10-03/990958/468 "2023-10-06T04:44:14Z")
> [@glowacks](#): > > I can’t imagine that Trump could actually correctly serve in the role of Speaker. Not a single person putting this idea forward expects or even wants that. Their purpose is to cause maximum chaos. Trump’s purpose is to try to derail his many legal cases. None of them want government to actually work. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impending-attempt-to-oust-speaker-mccarthy-10-1-2023-patrick-mchenry-is-now-speaker-pro-tempore-2023-10-03/990958/469 "2023-10-06T07:31:09Z")
> [@XOldiesJock](#): > > Mencken had a lot of observations about politics and elections. I’ve always liked this one, relevant as it was to the election results in 2016: > > **“On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”** For the record, H.L. Mecken was a fascist who, if alive today, would have been a diehard Trump supporter. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impending-attempt-to-oust-speaker-mccarthy-10-1-2023-patrick-mchenry-is-now-speaker-pro-tempore-2023-10-03/990958/470 "2023-10-06T10:20:33Z")
I started writing a long post to respond to this, but I realized it would likely become a hijack, so I spun it off into a separate thread. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impending-attempt-to-oust-speaker-mccarthy-10-1-2023-patrick-mchenry-is-now-speaker-pro-tempore-2023-10-03/990958/471 "2023-10-06T12:42:23Z")
Senator John Fetterman cuts right to the chase: > “Replacing one dick with a different kind of dick isn’t going to change anything in the House. We’re one DNA test from the Jerry Springer show.” > **[Republicans pound on Matt Gaetz, saying he got 'schooled by AOC'](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12598167/A-narcissistic-evil-vengeful-little-man-Republicans-pound-Matt-Gaetz-saying-got-schooled-AOC-Fetterman-says-Republican-party-one-DNA-test-Jerry-Springer-show.html)** > > Republicans tore into Rep. Matt Gaetz following the stunning removal of Kevin McCarthy as speaker. GOP officials in McCarthy's are comparing him to Benedict Arnold. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impending-attempt-to-oust-speaker-mccarthy-10-1-2023-patrick-mchenry-is-now-speaker-pro-tempore-2023-10-03/990958/472 "2023-10-06T12:43:07Z")
Trump has endorsed Gym Jordan as the new Speaker. Oh, goody. > **[Trump endorses Jim Jordan for House Speaker](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67029759)** > > The Ohio congressman is one of the most vocal defenders of the former president in Congress. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impending-attempt-to-oust-speaker-mccarthy-10-1-2023-patrick-mchenry-is-now-speaker-pro-tempore-2023-10-03/990958/473 "2023-10-06T12:58:20Z")
That is likely because JJ has already signalled he will continue the work of the Trump-protection committees and **not** be punishing Trump’s Best Boi Gaetz for his role in this whole mess. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impending-attempt-to-oust-speaker-mccarthy-10-1-2023-patrick-mchenry-is-now-speaker-pro-tempore-2023-10-03/990958/474 "2023-10-06T16:05:06Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > It seems like being Speaker with a tiny majority would actually be a really hard job, so I don’t think Trump would ever consider it. This is why I’m half-tempted to let them try it. Trump did an (at best) half-assed job as president because he’s fundamentally lazy. And that was with an absolutely huge staff dedicated to helping him, organizing all the information to present to him, and scheduling every meeting, and everything. There’s no way he’d have that level of support just as Speaker, and being Speaker right at this moment is, I suspect, a far harder, more hands-on job than his presidency ever was. The failure would be epic. Hell, they might even get fistfights in the House, like so many other countries. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impending-attempt-to-oust-speaker-mccarthy-10-1-2023-patrick-mchenry-is-now-speaker-pro-tempore-2023-10-03/990958/475 "2023-10-06T17:12:00Z")
I wonder if this narrative will get any traction. “The Evil Libs psyched Gaetz into assassinating the Speaker, and he played right into their evil plans!” ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impending-attempt-to-oust-speaker-mccarthy-10-1-2023-patrick-mchenry-is-now-speaker-pro-tempore-2023-10-03/990958/476 "2023-10-06T17:43:40Z")
Interesting how the GOP infighting is the dems fault. ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impending-attempt-to-oust-speaker-mccarthy-10-1-2023-patrick-mchenry-is-now-speaker-pro-tempore-2023-10-03/990958/477 "2023-10-06T17:55:48Z")
Have you not been paying attention? _Everything_ is Biden’s fault, be it Joe or Hunter. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impending-attempt-to-oust-speaker-mccarthy-10-1-2023-patrick-mchenry-is-now-speaker-pro-tempore-2023-10-03/990958/478 "2023-10-06T17:57:24Z")
And Bidens yet unborn. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impending-attempt-to-oust-speaker-mccarthy-10-1-2023-patrick-mchenry-is-now-speaker-pro-tempore-2023-10-03/990958/479 "2023-10-06T18:12:17Z")
They are _that_ good. And that evil. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impending-attempt-to-oust-speaker-mccarthy-10-1-2023-patrick-mchenry-is-now-speaker-pro-tempore-2023-10-03/990958/480 "2023-10-06T18:14:19Z")
Hakeem Jeffries writes an Op-Ed in the Washington Post urging a bipartisan path forward for the House: > **[Opinion | Hakeem Jeffries: A bipartisan coalition is the way forward for the...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/10/06/hakeem-jeffries-bipartisan-coalition-house-gop/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJyZWFzb24iOiJnaWZ0IiwibmJmIjoxNjk2NTY0ODAwLCJpc3MiOiJzdWJzY3JpcHRpb25zIiwiZXhwIjoxNjk3OTQ3MTk5LCJpYXQiOjE2OTY1NjQ4MDAsImp0aSI6ImUwMjk5YWI1LTBhYmItNDg5ZC05ZDg5LTIyZTMzNzMxYmMxMyIsInVybCI6Imh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lndhc2hpbmd0b25wb3N0LmNvbS9vcGluaW9ucy8yMDIzLzEwLzA2L2hha2VlbS1qZWZmcmllcy1iaXBhcnRpc2FuLWNvYWxpdGlvbi1ob3VzZS1nb3AvIn0.TPqphlMgvAL6QMIAbM1JdMXco0PvHgQlBIPomzjW8QA)** > > The House should be restructured to promote governance by consensus and facilitate up-or-down votes on bills that have strong bipartisan support. I know it’s very unlikely, but I’m glad they’re trying this kind of thing. At the very least they can use it campaigning in the future. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impending-attempt-to-oust-speaker-mccarthy-10-1-2023-patrick-mchenry-is-now-speaker-pro-tempore-2023-10-03/990958.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-impending-attempt-to-oust-speaker-mccarthy-10-1-2023-patrick-mchenry-is-now-speaker-pro-tempore-2023-10-03/990958.md?page=25)