# The Indonesian Justice Department can blow me
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-indonesian-justice-department-can-blow-me/204446
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [September 29, 2003, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-indonesian-justice-department-can-blow-me/204446 "2003-09-29T10:02:54Z")
**Posts on this page:** 10
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### Author:  [@Brown\_Jenkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Jenkin)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2003, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-indonesian-justice-department-can-blow-me/204446/1 "2003-09-29T10:02:54Z")
I love Indonesia. Indonesian politicians, on the other hand, give me the willies.
[Indonesian ministry seeks to criminalize cohabitation, oral sex](http://www.thejakartapost.com/detaillatestnews.asp?fileid=20030929151803&irec=6)
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### Author:  [@Badtz\_Maru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Badtz_Maru)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2003, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-indonesian-justice-department-can-blow-me/204446/2 "2003-09-29T10:14:04Z")
“Indonesia, Japan agree to enhance oil, gas cooperation”
I think you are reading a LOT into that story.
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### Author:  [@Brown\_Jenkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Jenkin)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2003, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-indonesian-justice-department-can-blow-me/204446/3 "2003-09-29T10:17:23Z")
:smack: black magic and sorcery ate my link: [http://www.thejakartapost.com/detaillatestnews.asp?fileid=20030929151803&irec=7](http://www.thejakartapost.com/detaillatestnews.asp?fileid=20030929151803&irec=7)
just in case it happens again, the salient bit is:
JAKARTA (AFP): Cohabitation, oral sex and homosexual sex will soon become crimes in Indonesia if the justice ministry has its way, a ministry spokesman said Monday.
The ministry is drafting an amendment to the country’s criminal code to include acts not currently categorized as crimes but considered morally unacceptable.
These include cohabitation, oral sex, extramarital and non-marital sex, sorcery aimed at hurting other people and homosexual sex, spokesman Sukartono Supangat said.
(The Jakarta Post)
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### Author:  [@Brown\_Jenkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Jenkin)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2003, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-indonesian-justice-department-can-blow-me/204446/4 "2003-09-29T10:18:38Z")
but i hate it when Indonesia and Japan agree to enhance oil, gas cooperation.
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### Author:  [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2003, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-indonesian-justice-department-can-blow-me/204446/5 "2003-09-29T10:31:19Z")
[Here’s](http://www.thejakartapost.com/detaillatestnews.asp?fileid=20030929151803&irec=8) the correct link.
Fuck, that’s appalling. Indonesia’s always touted as being a huge Muslim country with a secular leadership. Sounds like some of the hardline mullahs are leaning hard on the justice department.
Hopefully it’ll get thrown out before it gets voted in.
And as for those bastards enhancing oil, gas cooperation… why I oughta…
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### Author:  [@Brown\_Jenkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Jenkin)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2003, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-indonesian-justice-department-can-blow-me/204446/6 "2003-09-29T10:35:32Z")
That does it: the Jakarta Post renames its urls every 5 minutes out of spite. I’m turning this into a Jakarta Post pit instead.
The oral sex story opened when i clicked my link in preview. Honest it did.
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### Author:  [@Gest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gest)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2003, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-indonesian-justice-department-can-blow-me/204446/7 "2003-09-29T10:42:48Z")
Aren’t there some states in the US that still have laws against homosexual and oral sex on their books? I’m thinking this is another expedient attempt to mollify radical fundamentalists. The TNI and ruling elites don’t have a hair up their arses about this and won’t be the driving forces behind it. What counts is how and if the laws are enforced. I don’t believe they are in America and they mightn’t be in Indonesia either.
The good news is that apart from implementing some aspects of Sharia and tribal law, they will give more recognition to international conventions. This will have to be a good thing as Indonesia has some truly awful laws and the military do some atrocious stuff. And I mean atrocious as in pertaining to atrocities.
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### Author:  [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2003, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-indonesian-justice-department-can-blow-me/204446/8 "2003-09-29T10:46:04Z")
Yeah, but the difference is that the US laws are all ancient ones that have fallend quietly into de facto disuse. The Indonesian ones will come in with a blaze of publicity, and I’ll betcha that various local authorities will make sure they’re seen to be enforcing them. Doesn’t bode well for the future of the non-Muslim population in e.g. Bali (or the liberal Muslim population).
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### Author:  [@Brown\_Jenkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Jenkin)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2003, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-indonesian-justice-department-can-blow-me/204446/9 "2003-09-29T10:54:22Z")
The relevant minister, Yusril Ihza Mahendra, is a populist and ambitious piece of nastiness, left over from the Soeharto days. His department has a habit of proposing all manner of idiocy and - thankfully - never seriously attempting to implement it.
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### Author:  [@cuauhtemoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cuauhtemoc)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2003, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-indonesian-justice-department-can-blow-me/204446/10 "2003-09-29T12:42:09Z")
> [@](#):
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> \*Originally posted by Gest \*
> **Aren’t there some states in the US that still have laws against homosexual and oral sex on their books?**
[Not any more, dude.](http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/06/26/scotus.sodomy/) Unless you mean laws that are still technically on the books but are _illegal_ to enforce.