# The Inflation Reduction Act has Passed (08-12-22) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 7, 2022, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-inflation-reduction-act-has-passed-08-12-22/969226 "2022-08-07T01:02:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2022, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-inflation-reduction-act-has-passed-08-12-22/969226/1 "2022-08-07T01:02:12Z")
With Harris casting the tie-breaker, the Senate just passed the so-called Inflation Reduction Act, which includes the first significant climate change regulation. As well as quite a bit of Biden’s domestic agenda. This might actually happen, after everybody thought it was dead! ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2022, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-inflation-reduction-act-has-passed-08-12-22/969226/2 "2022-08-07T01:14:46Z")
If it truly increases revenue and it is 100% paid for, especially not on the backs of the middle class, then I don’t care if they’re paying for AOC’s dance lessons. I’m all for it. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2022, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-inflation-reduction-act-has-passed-08-12-22/969226/3 "2022-08-07T01:24:12Z")
Flip from "Why doesn’t Biden _Do Something_? To: “Biden is doing something and _I don’t like it!_” ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2022, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-inflation-reduction-act-has-passed-08-12-22/969226/4 "2022-08-07T01:35:56Z")
Yeah. Biden has done a LOT of “somethings”. No, he can’t lower gas prices. Oil prices are a fungible international commodity. No, he hasn’t put trump in prison- since indicting but not convicting would be a disaster. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2022, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-inflation-reduction-act-has-passed-08-12-22/969226/5 "2022-08-07T01:40:19Z")
Not to mention that we have separation of powers in our government, something Tan the Conman and his minions don’t seem to understand. The president cannot put someone in jail. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2022, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-inflation-reduction-act-has-passed-08-12-22/969226/6 "2022-08-07T01:41:23Z")
One of the features of the bill is a two-year extension on expanded tax credits for moderate-income families who buy their own ACA health insurance policies. The expanded tax credits were put into place in one of the COVID relief bills last year, and helped a lot of people afford to buy health insurance, but were slated to expire at the end of this year. It had been estimated that [~3 million people](https://www.cbpp.org/research/health/health-premiums-will-rise-steeply-for-millions-if-rescue-plan-tax-credits-expire) would wind up being unable to afford insurance (and thus, drop their coverage) if the expanded credits went away. ---
**Author:** ![RadioWave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/91b2a8/32.png) [@RadioWave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RadioWave)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2022, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-inflation-reduction-act-has-passed-08-12-22/969226/7 "2022-08-07T01:47:41Z")
One thing I don’t like about it is, to get Manchin’s support, the bill effectively kills the Electric Vehicle tax credit for 90% of buyers. By placing price limits and requiring final assembly to be in North America, it rules out most of Kia, Lexus, Hyundai, Nissan, Toyota, Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar, Rivian, etc… The only currently available cars that pass the new criteria are Ford Mustang MachE, F-150 Electric, Chevy Bolt, Tesla Model 3/Y, Nissan Leaf and VW ID.4. This bill changes the tax credit from “We want to help people buy clean vehicles” to “We want to prop up the U.S. auto factories”. And once the battery sourcing rules start kicking in in 2024, even those won’t be able to meet the requirements. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2022, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-inflation-reduction-act-has-passed-08-12-22/969226/8 "2022-08-07T02:52:14Z")
The Senate voted to BEGIN debate on the Inflation Reduction Act. Final passage is still a ways off. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2022, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-inflation-reduction-act-has-passed-08-12-22/969226/9 "2022-08-07T03:00:37Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > No, he can’t lower gas prices. Oil prices are a fungible international commodity. But gas prices have declined 90 cents since their peak. Thanks, Biden. Time to go put a sticker on a pump. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2022, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-inflation-reduction-act-has-passed-08-12-22/969226/10 "2022-08-07T03:01:40Z")
Good point. > [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > But gas prices have declined 90 cents since their peak. > > Thanks, Biden. Time to go put a sticker on a pump. 👍 😀 ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2022, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-inflation-reduction-act-has-passed-08-12-22/969226/11 "2022-08-07T03:02:50Z")
Got to celebrate everything we can! ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2022, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-inflation-reduction-act-has-passed-08-12-22/969226/12 "2022-08-07T03:09:40Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > The Senate voted to BEGIN debate on the Inflation Reduction Act. Final passage is still a ways off. This. Still lots of opportunities to fuck this up for no reason. > [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Thanks, Biden. Time to go put a sticker on a pump. The best thing is that old stickers are still there. [![](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51EdAJZsnaL._AC_SS450_.jpg) ](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51EdAJZsnaL._AC_SS450_.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2022, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-inflation-reduction-act-has-passed-08-12-22/969226/13 "2022-08-07T04:58:48Z")
Debate is finished. They’re on to the Voterama now. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2022, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-inflation-reduction-act-has-passed-08-12-22/969226/14 "2022-08-07T06:46:35Z")
> [@RadioWave](#): > > to get Manchin’s support, the bill effectively kills the Electric Vehicle tax credit for 90% of buyers That _this_ is Manchin’s price for cooperation is just another metric in the grand scale of just how much Manchin sucks. ---
**Author:** ![WalterBishop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/aeb1de/32.png) [@WalterBishop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WalterBishop)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2022, 8:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-inflation-reduction-act-has-passed-08-12-22/969226/15 "2022-08-07T08:31:59Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > The Senate voted to BEGIN debate on the Inflation Reduction Act. Final passage is still a ways off. This. I hate to be a pessimist in what is, ostensibly, a good news thread, but my gut feeling is that what we’ll end up with is going to be massively, massively watered down. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2022, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-inflation-reduction-act-has-passed-08-12-22/969226/16 "2022-08-07T08:37:19Z")
> [@WalterBishop](#): > > I hate to be a pessimist in what is, ostensibly, a good news thread, but my gut feeling is that what we’ll end up with is going to be massively, massively watered down. I mean, isn’t that true of everything that comes out of Congress? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2022, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-inflation-reduction-act-has-passed-08-12-22/969226/17 "2022-08-07T09:04:12Z")
Oh I dunno, I think the horseshit that comes out of Congress is concentrated, pure, and undiluted. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2022, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-inflation-reduction-act-has-passed-08-12-22/969226/18 "2022-08-07T11:48:23Z")
The Democrats have mostly agreed to vote no on ALL amendments, even ones they agree with, because the agreement is so precarious that any change might wreck it. So far it seems to be working — no amendments have passed so far. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2022, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-inflation-reduction-act-has-passed-08-12-22/969226/19 "2022-08-07T12:03:51Z")
I have no doubt the bill will pass in its current form with at most only minor changes. Schumer would not have brought this to the floor unless he was sure he had cut all the deals he needed to assure passage. The goal of the “vote-a-rama” — where they vote on dozens of amendments — isn’t to change the bill, but for Republicans to force Democrats to take politically painful votes so they can run ads saying “Rafael Warnock voted against tax relief for disabled veterans!” ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2022, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-inflation-reduction-act-has-passed-08-12-22/969226/20 "2022-08-07T15:49:19Z")
But once it’s passed and signed, you can bet your bottom simoleon they’ll be taking credit for all the benefits they’ve secured for their constituents. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-inflation-reduction-act-has-passed-08-12-22/969226.md?page=2)