# The inherent problem with 2nd Amendment debates \[tactics\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 10, 2019, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-inherent-problem-with-2nd-amendment-debates-tactics/839983 "2019-09-10T14:43:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-inherent-problem-with-2nd-amendment-debates-tactics/839983/81 "2019-09-12T07:43:35Z")
I didn’t use the word imply so I’m not sure I understand your question. I thought I was pretty clear. I feel like “are usually” is a fair assessment. It’s hard to know for sure that someone is acting in bad faith, but it very often is likely the case in these instances. ---
**Author:** ![Abatis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d78d45/32.png) [@Abatis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abatis)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-inherent-problem-with-2nd-amendment-debates-tactics/839983/82 "2019-09-12T09:53:45Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I am sorry that you think that someone who has an opposing few of such matters is arguing in bad faith, because that certainly implies that those who do are being deliberately dishonest Isn’t that the fundamental premise of your OP and _ **your** _ characterization of some people who engage in 2ndA/RKBA debate? Not a syllable in reply to my [**#28**](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21852658&postcount=28)? I specifically addressed your premise and points. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-inherent-problem-with-2nd-amendment-debates-tactics/839983/83 "2019-09-12T12:38:42Z")
> [@Corry\_El](#): > > And it’s particularly discordant for the generally left leaning pro gun control side to talk about their ‘facts’ v other side’s ‘beliefs’ on guns when the same people mainly assert entirely non-enumerated right to redefine marriage from the traditional one man/one woman formula, or the right to abortion. Those are obviously beliefs. The rights to equal protection and due process are most certainly enumerated. > [@](#): > > 1. discussion of repeal and ‘what if’s’ following repeal when repeal of the 2A is as close to 100% ‘not gonna happen’ as something could politically be. In a discussion about what we \*should \*do, that is not a useful argument. > [@](#): > > 1. federal gun control in the US could be made far stricter without changing or repealing the 2nd amendment, if there were the votes. There is widespread public support. The lack of congressional \*votes \*is due to perversion of democracy, not democracy. > [@sps49sd](#): > > I am astounded that anyone can read the text and think “militia” is a requirement and not just one reason. But it’s the only one they thought needed to be mentioned. Why do you think that is? ---
**Author:** ![sps49sd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@sps49sd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sps49sd)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-inherent-problem-with-2nd-amendment-debates-tactics/839983/84 "2019-09-12T14:00:57Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > … > > _(sps49sd) I am astounded that anyone can read the text and think “militia” is a requirement and not just one reason._ > > But it’s the only one they thought needed to be mentioned. Why do you think that is? Are we proceeding with you understanding that the militia clause is a reason, not a requirement? ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-inherent-problem-with-2nd-amendment-debates-tactics/839983/85 "2019-09-12T14:11:44Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > They dont know the difference between semi-auto and full-auto, that a bolt action can be fired just about as fast a a full auto, and the difference between calibres. A bolt action can be fired just as fast as as a full-auto? Now I can plink off rounds about as quickly with a bolt action Lee-Enfield as quickly as I can normally fire a semi-auto, and I can bumpfire a semi-auto as fast as a full-auto using nothing more fancy than my belt loop. But a bolt action fired as fast as a full-auto? I’ve got to see this. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-inherent-problem-with-2nd-amendment-debates-tactics/839983/86 "2019-09-12T14:14:06Z")
> [@sps49sd](#): > > Are we proceeding with you understanding that the militia clause is a reason, not a requirement? The question was to _you_. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-inherent-problem-with-2nd-amendment-debates-tactics/839983/87 "2019-09-12T17:32:57Z")
I made an attempt to keep this on track with post#68, but I think that may have been too fine a line to walk. Perhaps a more generalized debate tactic thread could be started without being encumbered by the umbrella of 2nd amendment discussions, but this isn’t it. That being said, how many threads on general second amendment discussions shall we have at one time? One less as I’m closing this one. [This other thread was active first](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=881126) so feel free to post there. [/moderating] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-inherent-problem-with-2nd-amendment-debates-tactics/839983.md?page=4)