# The ISS 'live feed of Earth' hoax. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 10, 2014, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iss-live-feed-of-earth-hoax/688122 "2014-05-10T12:58:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![karol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/977dab/32.png) [@karol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/karol)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2014, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iss-live-feed-of-earth-hoax/688122/1 "2014-05-10T12:58:35Z")
[http://www.iflscience.com/space/eyes-earth-iss-hd-earth-viewing-experiment](http://www.iflscience.com/space/eyes-earth-iss-hd-earth-viewing-experiment) Lovely, isn’t it ? But wait, where is the Earth ? [![](https://i.imgur.com/LkgneVJ.jpg?1) ](https://i.imgur.com/LkgneVJ.jpg?1) [http://www.spaceflight101.com/hdev.html](http://www.spaceflight101.com/hdev.html) “The four cameras **do not have any pan/tilt capability, each camera has a fixed field of view** and the four cameras are mounted so that one points forward, one points nadir and two are oriented to the wake/aft side” Also: [![](https://i.imgur.com/I40KT9j.jpg?1) ](https://i.imgur.com/I40KT9j.jpg?1) [http://www.spaceflight101.com/uploads/6/4/0/6/6406961/\_8414937\_orig.jpg](http://www.spaceflight101.com/uploads/6/4/0/6/6406961/_8414937_orig.jpg) So, what happened to the Earth ? Most probably this ‘live feed’ is a composite. Someone forgot the turn off the view of ISS itself. As for the ‘convexity’ of Earth, here comes the fisheye lens. The cameras point down to Earth to make the curvature. If they were set straight ahead the horizon would be…straight. [http://www.reddit.com/r/Skycentrism/comments/2559wn/what\_happened\_to\_the\_horizon\_video\_from\_iss/](http://www.reddit.com/r/Skycentrism/comments/2559wn/what_happened_to_the_horizon_video_from_iss/) [http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/24xhfo/its\_the\_fisheye\_lens\_that\_proves\_that\_the\_horizon/](http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/24xhfo/its_the_fisheye_lens_that_proves_that_the_horizon/) [http://www.reddit.com/r/Skycentrism/comments/25148p/the\_supposed\_simulated\_curvature\_from\_27\_km\_and/](http://www.reddit.com/r/Skycentrism/comments/25148p/the_supposed_simulated_curvature_from_27_km_and/) ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2014, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iss-live-feed-of-earth-hoax/688122/2 "2014-05-10T13:06:33Z")
> [@karol](#): > > [http://www.iflscience.com/space/eyes-earth-iss-hd-earth-viewing-experiment](http://www.iflscience.com/space/eyes-earth-iss-hd-earth-viewing-experiment) > > Lovely, isn’t it ? > > But wait, where is the Earth ? When I first tried the link, it was right there, moving slowly as it rotated and the ISS passed over. Over a few minutes, the cameras changed, and the Earth was still there, right where it should be. That’s an amazing view, and thanks for showing it to us. But what’s the debate here? And why is this a hoax? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2014, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iss-live-feed-of-earth-hoax/688122/3 "2014-05-10T13:13:21Z")
> [@karol](#): > > As for the ‘convexity’ of Earth, here comes the fisheye lens. The cameras point down to Earth to make the curvature. If they were set straight ahead the horizon would be…straight. > [@Musicat](#): > > But what’s the debate here? And why is this a hoax? Similar to [other debates by this poster.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=721977) ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2014, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iss-live-feed-of-earth-hoax/688122/4 "2014-05-10T13:36:22Z")
> [@karol](#): > > As for the ‘convexity’ of Earth, here comes the fisheye lens. The cameras point down to Earth to make the curvature. If they were set straight ahead the horizon would be…straight. **karol** , I asked you in previous threads and I will ask you again. > [@Is this scheme the proper explanation of why the upper part of the moon is illuminated ?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-scheme-the-proper-explanation-of-why-the-upper-part-of-the-moon-is-illuminated/687098/32): > > **Karol** , would you kindly present your model of the local cosmos? Like, if you were to ask me what model I adhered to, I could show you [that model](http://eyes.nasa.gov/index.html). If you were to ask a flat-earther what model they adhered to, they would probably show you something like [this](http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj135/Starman937/modelcopyjd0_zps827b198f.jpg). But I have _no idea_ what your model is. What is it? How does the local cosmos look to you, and how does this evidence seem to conform to it? (I strongly recommend not responding until we have a coherent answer. Also, fisheye lens? Scroll two inches down to he “best of” and the thumbnail clearly shows that no, it’s not a fisheye lens.) ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2014, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iss-live-feed-of-earth-hoax/688122/5 "2014-05-10T13:43:38Z")
The OP clearly thinks the cosmos is conspiracy-shaped. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2014, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iss-live-feed-of-earth-hoax/688122/6 "2014-05-10T13:47:40Z")
We’re through the doors of perception here, people. ---
**Author:** ![karol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/977dab/32.png) [@karol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/karol)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2014, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iss-live-feed-of-earth-hoax/688122/7 "2014-05-10T14:45:05Z")
OK, I realized that it’s hard to prove that the ISS view without Earth is probably added automatically because it could be. **.night** as well. Anyway strange that none came up with this yet. **The fisheye lens issue though is still current.** AGAIN: [![](https://i.imgur.com/I40KT9j.jpg?1) ](https://i.imgur.com/I40KT9j.jpg?1) [http://www.spaceflight101.com/upload...14937\_orig.jpg](http://www.spaceflight101.com/upload...14937_orig.jpg) All the cameras are pointing down to Earth. Why ? To make the ‘convexity’. Because if they were set straight ahead the horizon would be…straight. [http://www.reddit.com/r/Skycentrism/comments/2559wn/what\_happened\_to\_the\_horizon\_video\_from\_iss/](http://www.reddit.com/r/Skycentrism/comments/2559wn/what_happened_to_the_horizon_video_from_iss/) [http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/24xhfo/its\_the\_fisheye\_lens\_that\_proves\_that\_the\_horizon/](http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/24xhfo/its_the_fisheye_lens_that_proves_that_the_horizon/) [http://www.reddit.com/r/Skycentrism/comments/25148p/the\_supposed\_simulated\_curvature\_from\_27\_km\_and/](http://www.reddit.com/r/Skycentrism/comments/25148p/the_supposed_simulated_curvature_from_27_km_and/) > **[The hoax of refraction and angular declination of the horizon.](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iaSE4JDsu4bu5ztFM-oeocqQbCggp3nPmeOWE4xmIiQ/edit?hl=pl&forcehl=1)** > > Skycentrism Concave Earth: The hoax of refraction and angular declination of the horizon Is the so called angular declination of the horizon real ? The description below concerns the left picture: “It shows a vertical plane through the... ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2014, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iss-live-feed-of-earth-hoax/688122/8 "2014-05-10T15:30:27Z")
What would be the goal of this hoax? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2014, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iss-live-feed-of-earth-hoax/688122/9 "2014-05-10T16:11:33Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > What would be the goal of this hoax? I’m going to go out on a limb here, and say that the goal would be to fool people into thinking the Earth is a sphere instead of flat. Hard as it is to believe, the OP actually seems to be a Flat Earther…probably a moon landing hoax believer as well, as the two go hand in hand. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2014, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iss-live-feed-of-earth-hoax/688122/10 "2014-05-10T16:15:49Z")
> [@XT](#): > > I’m going to go out on a limb here, and say that the goal would be to fool people into thinking the Earth is a sphere instead of flat. Hard as it is to believe, the OP actually seems to be a Flat Earther… I thought **karol** was more of a negative-sphere Earther, but it’s hard to pin him down to much of anything. ---
**Author:** ![njtt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecd19e/32.png) [@njtt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/njtt)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2014, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iss-live-feed-of-earth-hoax/688122/11 "2014-05-10T16:18:00Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > What would be the goal of this hoax? If the sheeple knew the Earth was really flat, they would start escaping over the edge. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2014, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iss-live-feed-of-earth-hoax/688122/12 "2014-05-10T16:20:33Z")
> [@karol](#): > > [http://www.iflscience.com/space/eyes-earth-iss-hd-earth-viewing-experiment](http://www.iflscience.com/space/eyes-earth-iss-hd-earth-viewing-experiment) > > Lovely, isn’t it ?..[URL=“[Reddit - Dive into anything](http://www.reddit.com/r/Skycentrism/comments/25148p/the_supposed_simulated_curvature_from_27_km_and/)”] Yes, it is. Thank you for the cool link! The Earth is beautiful and round. “Picture a bright blue ball just spinning, spinning free.” ---
**Author:** ![Twoflower](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/twoflower/32/22_2.png) [@Twoflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Twoflower)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2014, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iss-live-feed-of-earth-hoax/688122/13 "2014-05-10T16:31:42Z")
**Karol** , are you ever going to respond to any of our comments, or are you just going to keep repeating yourself? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2014, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iss-live-feed-of-earth-hoax/688122/14 "2014-05-10T16:34:30Z")
> [@karol](#): > > OK, I realized that it’s hard to prove that the ISS view without Earth is probably added automatically because it could be. **.night** as well. > Anyway strange that none came up with this yet. > > **The fisheye lens issue though is still current.** > > AGAIN: > > [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](http://i.imgur.com/I40KT9j.jpg?1) > [http://www.spaceflight101.com/upload...14937\_orig.jpg](http://www.spaceflight101.com/upload...14937_orig.jpg) > > All the cameras are pointing down to Earth. Why ? To make the ‘convexity’. Because if they were set straight ahead the horizon would be…straight. Students at the Oklahoma university can reach the edge of space and still see the curvature of the earth, but what is useful in this case is that there is a digital technique to de-fish an image made, the earth is still curved. [http://astro.okstate.edu/ASTRO\_12/ASTRO-12%20Post%20Flight.htm](http://astro.okstate.edu/ASTRO_12/ASTRO-12%20Post%20Flight.htm) As the fish eye distortion does affect the space station or the shuttle when they are in the same frame with the earth images I can find they can be digitally corrected to make the lines of the space station (solar panels, robotic arms) to be straight as they should be in GIMP or Photoshop and I can tell you that the earth behind is still curved, some of the images you are using are close-ups of the shuttle in the distance, not much different than what people would see on the ground. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2014, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iss-live-feed-of-earth-hoax/688122/15 "2014-05-10T16:39:04Z")
If the OP is correct, and we’re all dupes, then we’ll figure this out pretty quickly in the next decade or two as commercial spaceflight becomes cheaper and cheaper, and many of us will be able to actually buy a ticket and see it with our own two eyes. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2014, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iss-live-feed-of-earth-hoax/688122/16 "2014-05-10T16:39:41Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > What would be the goal of this hoax? Please, **karol** , if you answer one thing, please answer this. Who is behind this hoax and what do they have to gain? Is it the fish-eye lens industry? ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2014, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iss-live-feed-of-earth-hoax/688122/17 "2014-05-10T16:43:32Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > If the OP is correct, and we’re all dupes, then we’ll figure this out pretty quickly in the next decade or two as commercial spaceflight becomes cheaper and cheaper, and many of us will be able to actually buy a ticket and see it with our own two eyes. Although that would be awesome, there’s only _one_ of us who _really_ should go. Imagine what will happen to him when he tells the pilot that the Earth is not an oblate spheroid. Will those shuttles have an airlock or just a hatch? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2014, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iss-live-feed-of-earth-hoax/688122/18 "2014-05-10T16:44:51Z")
> [@Twoflower](#): > > **Karol** , are you ever going to respond to any of our comments, or are you just going to keep repeating yourself? Of course he’s not going to respond. The actual hoax here is what’s posted in the OP and his other OPs. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2014, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iss-live-feed-of-earth-hoax/688122/19 "2014-05-10T16:47:37Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > Please, **karol** , if you answer one thing, please answer this. Who is behind this hoax and what do they have to gain? Is it the fish-eye lens industry? They’ve been reeling since the salad days of 90s MTV music videos. ---
**Author:** ![karol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/977dab/32.png) [@karol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/karol)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2014, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iss-live-feed-of-earth-hoax/688122/20 "2014-05-10T16:53:58Z")
i’ve mentioned a lot of times that what i thlnk is that earth is **concave** , not flat. So this: > [@XT](#): > > I’m going to go out on a limb here, and say that the goal would be to fool people into thinking the Earth is a sphere instead of flat. Hard as it is to believe, the OP actually seems to be a\*\* Flat Earther.\*\*…probably a moon landing hoax believer as well, as the two go hand in hand. is **untrue**. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-iss-live-feed-of-earth-hoax/688122.md?page=2)