# The Javelin flew today **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [September 30, 2005, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-javelin-flew-today/324267 "2005-09-30T22:50:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![caligynephobia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@caligynephobia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/caligynephobia)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2005, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-javelin-flew-today/324267/1 "2005-09-30T22:50:51Z")
Prototype for a pretty cool-looking [business jet](http://www.avtechgroup.com/events.asp?sub=pressreleases&pressid=44) had its first flight today in Denver. Check out the first flight video clip. Puts a new spin on being a corporate pilot. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2005, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-javelin-flew-today/324267/2 "2005-09-30T23:01:11Z")
Where’s the loo? And how’s the flight attendant supposed to walk around with drinks and gourmet meals? ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2005, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-javelin-flew-today/324267/3 "2005-09-30T23:05:06Z")
That looks too much like a combat aircraft to be popular overseas. Probably won’t sell well. ---
**Author:** ![Danalan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@Danalan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Danalan)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2005, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-javelin-flew-today/324267/4 "2005-09-30T23:16:53Z")
Took me forever to find that video – it’s on the [Home](http://www.avtechgroup.com/index.asp) page, not the press release. Anyway, pretty cool, but hasn’t this been done before, with a tiny jet that was actually supersonic? I recall an article about it, but I’m not finding what I remember on the 'net. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2005, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-javelin-flew-today/324267/5 "2005-09-30T23:22:22Z")
> [@Danalan](#): > > Anyway, pretty cool, but hasn’t this been done before, with a tiny jet that was actually supersonic? I recall an article about it, but I’m not finding what I remember on the 'net. I’m pretty sure Burt Rutan designed one. I seem to remember a Popular Science article or some such. Don’t know if he ever built any, though. ---
**Author:** ![Danalan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@Danalan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Danalan)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2005, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-javelin-flew-today/324267/6 "2005-09-30T23:29:07Z")
This may be it: [BD-10](http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?showtopic=11069) ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2005, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-javelin-flew-today/324267/7 "2005-09-30T23:31:18Z")
> [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#): > > That looks too much like a combat aircraft to be popular overseas. > > Probably won’t sell well. Actually, I see from the article that the program’s a partnership with IAI-Lahav who will sell a military trainer version. So while the American partner builds a civilian-from-the-assembly line version for a handful of Corporate VPs who want to be addressed as “Maverick”(\*) (not an original line, sorry), Lahav makes one with such things as HD landing gear and “hardpoints” and tries to sell several dozen a year to various militaries (Still – I’m mondo skeptical of its chances in the market). (\*A few of whom will, for their final performance, create a smoldering crater, with or without ejection) ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2005, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-javelin-flew-today/324267/8 "2005-09-30T23:34:09Z")
… and I forgot to add that _real_ Jet-Jock-at-Heart millionaires like John Travolta or Michael Dorn will likely continue to buy and fly real mil-surplus fighter jets to get their kicks. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2005, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-javelin-flew-today/324267/9 "2005-10-01T00:24:00Z")
> [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#): > > That looks too much like a combat aircraft to be popular overseas. > > Probably won’t sell well. Are you kiddin’ me? A baby bizz jet that looks like a mini-F15? Whaddaya think we are over here, hippies? Where do I sign up? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Airblairxxx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Airblairxxx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airblairxxx)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2005, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-javelin-flew-today/324267/10 "2005-10-03T19:25:37Z")
> [@Coldfire](#): > > Where do I sign up? 🙂 With my cousin’s company. They’ve signed a contract to buy one once they’re certified, in 2007 or so. And they’re based at Centennial Airport in Colorado, where the Javelin’s factory is. My head explodes every time I think of this. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2005, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-javelin-flew-today/324267/11 "2005-10-03T21:38:58Z")
Looks like the plane didn’t raise its wheels. Still a fair way to go. ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2005, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-javelin-flew-today/324267/12 "2005-10-03T22:54:05Z")
> [@Danalan](#): > > This may be it: [BD-10](http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?showtopic=11069) Hey, are you an X-Planer, too? ---
**Author:** ![Danalan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@Danalan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Danalan)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2005, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-javelin-flew-today/324267/13 "2005-10-03T23:10:42Z")
> [@Ranchoth](#): > > Hey, are you an X-Planer, too? Nope, sorry. Just a resource. I’m too busy with the rest of the web to hang out there, although there are some really cool threads. I’ve got about a thousand hours in the A-6E, all of it simulator time, most of that in the right seat. If I could afford it, I’d still have a subscription to [AW&ST](http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/news/channel_awst.jsp). Nowadays I mainly just read [Approach](http://safetycenter.navy.mil/media/approach/). ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2005, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-javelin-flew-today/324267/14 "2005-10-03T23:53:19Z")
Given the fighter jet style layout , high speeds & relatively small wing area it doesn’t appear that that plane is going to be real tolerant of rookie errors. ---
**Author:** ![caligynephobia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@caligynephobia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/caligynephobia)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2005, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-javelin-flew-today/324267/15 "2005-10-04T23:52:14Z")
> [@astro](#): > > Given the fighter jet style layout , high speeds & relatively small wing area it doesn’t appear that that plane is going to be real tolerant of rookie errors. Maybe . . . 100 knot stall speed (with flaps) suggest an approach speed somewhere around 130, and that’s not too far off from some small business jets (which really aren’t for rookies either). If the FAA eventually certifies it, I don’t think they will allow a lot of squirreliness in handling characteristics. For liability reasons I don’t imagine ATG will either.