# The Jeopardy thread \[was James Holzhauer\]\[contains spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** reality-or-game-show\ **Created:** [April 17, 2019, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jeopardy-thread-was-james-holzhauer-contains-spoilers/832696 "2019-04-17T21:53:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 164
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jeopardy-thread-was-james-holzhauer-contains-spoilers/832696/3267 "2021-10-30T02:11:48Z")
True, it did not mention 1812, but it was the only time the White House has been burned down. Kind of a major event in US history. I guess 1812–1814 (1815, actually) is now a largely forgotten war\* unless you’re into that sort of thing. \*Not in Canada, though. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jeopardy-thread-was-james-holzhauer-contains-spoilers/832696/3268 "2021-10-30T02:16:32Z")
I knew the opening song lyrics immediately, but didn’t know it was titled “The Marine Hymn” – I knew it was related to Marines. I too would have written down “From the Halls of Montezuma” Brian ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jeopardy-thread-was-james-holzhauer-contains-spoilers/832696/3269 "2021-10-30T02:24:35Z")
In the clip I posted, note that the USMC emblem features the Western Hemisphere. The arms of the UK’s Royal Marines have the Eastern Hemisphere: [![](https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/medium/1/royal-marines-r-m-badge-over-white-leather-serge-averbukh-transparent.png) ](https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/medium/1/royal-marines-r-m-badge-over-white-leather-serge-averbukh-transparent.png) ---
**Author:** ![Arcite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/67e7ee/32.png) [@Arcite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arcite)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jeopardy-thread-was-james-holzhauer-contains-spoilers/832696/3270 "2021-10-30T02:26:46Z")
I too knew the song, but did not know that it was officially called the Marines’ Hymn. I’ve always thought of it as “the Marine Corps Anthem.” Would be interesting to know if that would have been ruled correct. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jeopardy-thread-was-james-holzhauer-contains-spoilers/832696/3271 "2021-10-30T03:02:44Z")
> [@Mark\_Finn](#): > > The answer was “Victory in 1805’s Battle of Derna on the coast of North Africa inspired a lyric in this song made official in 1929”. My answer was also “that song has a name?” (I knew what it was, just not what it was called. I would have written “from the halls of Montezuma.” Also, I thought that the Marines hymn was “Eternal Father Strong to Save” - which it turns out is the Navy hymn, and I guess they don’t share. It’s also weird that the hymn is pretty much worshipping the Marines themselves rather than some external force - which is kind of weird for something called a “hymn”) ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jeopardy-thread-was-james-holzhauer-contains-spoilers/832696/3272 "2021-10-30T08:16:27Z")
It would seem “hymn” and “anthem” are more or less interchangeable (in English, anyway). You can toggle both on this link: [https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=define+anthem&forcedict=anthem&dictcorpus=en&expnd=1](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=define+anthem&forcedict=anthem&dictcorpus=en&expnd=1) In Russian, the national anthem of the Soviet Union was _Gosudarstvennyi gimn_ [hymn] _SSSR_ (the Russian Federation still uses the melody): [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/Q6qPq2WZaCg/maxresdefault.jpg "Gosudarstvenny gimn SSSR/Государственный гимн СССР/National Anthem of USSR.") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6qPq2WZaCg) ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jeopardy-thread-was-james-holzhauer-contains-spoilers/832696/3273 "2021-10-30T09:55:19Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > I thought that the Marines hymn was “Eternal Father Strong to Save” - which it turns out is the Navy hymn, and I guess they don’t share. I always thought the official anthem of the US Navy was “Anchors Aweigh,” but apparently it isn’t (at least not yet): > **[Anchors Aweigh](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchors_Aweigh)** > > "Anchors Aweigh" is the fight song of the United States Naval Academy and unofficial march song of the United States Navy. It was composed in 1906 by Charles A. Zimmermann with lyrics by Alfred Hart Miles. When he composed "Anchors Aweigh", Zimmermann was a lieutenant and had been bandmaster of the United States Naval Academy Band since 1887. Miles was midshipman first class at the academy, in the class of 1907, and had asked Zimmermann to assist him in composing a song for that class, to be us... [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/iyBf7vDERuo/maxresdefault.jpg "Anchors Aweigh (US NAVY WW2 Footage)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyBf7vDERuo) I was the only third-grader at Irving Elementary who knew all four US service anthems by heart. (I hadn’t learned yet that the Coast Guard was a separate branch of the military.) My teachers loved it, but my classmates just thought I was weird. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jeopardy-thread-was-james-holzhauer-contains-spoilers/832696/3274 "2021-10-30T10:07:06Z")
The official anthem of the Royal Navy (or Navies) is "Heart of Oak,’ which refers to the rare wood of which the ships were made. The melody was hijacked for “The Liberty Song” during the American Revolution. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/OKYJ3owDEBA/maxresdefault.jpg "British Naval Anthem: Heart of Oak") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKYJ3owDEBA) [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/OvLdawL3wHM/hqdefault.jpg "American Revolutionary Song: The Liberty Song") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvLdawL3wHM) Picard’s doppelganger sings “Heart of Oak” in the _ **ST: TNG** _ episode “Allegiance.” Which is kind of strange, since he’s supposed to be French. [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/T7Vadzjac6g/hqdefault.jpg "Picard Singing in Ten Forward") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7Vadzjac6g) I’m guessing “this wonderful year” was 1759, the “Year of Victories” in the Seven Years War. ---
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jeopardy-thread-was-james-holzhauer-contains-spoilers/832696/3275 "2021-10-30T13:51:51Z")
I must admit I’m surprised at the number of people I’ve seen (not just here, but on other forums) saying either that they weren’t familiar with the Marine’s Hymn, or that they didn’t know what it was called. When I was in elementary school, it was one of the first songs that we learned in music class. I’ve known both the song and its title almost as long as I can remember. I guess schools don’t do that anymore? ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jeopardy-thread-was-james-holzhauer-contains-spoilers/832696/3276 "2021-10-30T14:22:02Z")
I get them mixed up: I thought that “halls of Montezuma” song was Battle Hymn of the Republic. BHotR is “mine eyes have seen the glory…” I had to look it up. OTOH, I gave myself a pat on the back by at least being in the right continent in FJ. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jeopardy-thread-was-james-holzhauer-contains-spoilers/832696/3277 "2021-10-30T15:54:23Z")
> [@MrAtoz](#): > > …it was one of the first songs that we learned in music class… > > I guess schools don’t do that anymore? We learned “The Bear Went Over the Mountain”. I prefer that - I’d rather not indoctrinate 6 year olds into worshiping the military. 🙂 Still I got the FJ, IF they’d have accepted “Marine Anthem”. ---
**Author:** ![Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mean_mr.mustard/32/3865_2.png) [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mean_Mr.Mustard)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jeopardy-thread-was-james-holzhauer-contains-spoilers/832696/3278 "2021-10-30T17:00:00Z")
Back to the Santiago FJ - I answered Lima with 99% confidence. I visualized Sydney, knew it was very far south, and knew that that long, skinny country (Peru, right?), took up the majority of the western coast of South America. So, Lima. Went from smug right-ness to feeling like a dumbass in an instant, mixing up two countries that I am geographically familiar with. mmm ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jeopardy-thread-was-james-holzhauer-contains-spoilers/832696/3279 "2021-10-30T19:37:15Z")
> [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](#): > > Went from smug right-ness to feeling like a dumbass in an instant, mixing up two countries that I am geographically familiar with. Your answer was less dumb than mine, and two of the actual contestants’. ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Finn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/34f0e0/32.png) [@Mark\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mark_Finn)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jeopardy-thread-was-james-holzhauer-contains-spoilers/832696/3280 "2021-10-30T22:24:33Z")
> [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](#): > > Back to the Santiago FJ - I answered Lima with 99% confidence. I visualized Sydney, knew it was very far south, and knew that that long, skinny country (Peru, right?), took up the majority of the western coast of South America. So, Lima. > > Went from smug right-ness to feeling like a dumbass in an instant, mixing up two countries that I am geographically familiar with. > > mmm I had immediately thought of Lima as well, but I realized it was too close to the Equator. Thus Santiago - even though I wasn’t sure of its latitude, it had to be close(r) to that of Sydney. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jeopardy-thread-was-james-holzhauer-contains-spoilers/832696/3281 "2021-10-30T23:36:28Z")
I thought of Chile but could not remember the name of its capital so I was almost there. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2021, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jeopardy-thread-was-james-holzhauer-contains-spoilers/832696/3282 "2021-10-31T01:30:08Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > I knew the correct response as soon as I saw “1805” and “North Africa.” Talk about a no-brainer. I knew the line of the song, but I could never have come up with the name of the song. Probably would have answered “The Marine Song” or “The Marine Corps Anthem.” ---
**Author:** ![Rebo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rebo/32/13005_2.png) [@Rebo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rebo)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2021, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jeopardy-thread-was-james-holzhauer-contains-spoilers/832696/3283 "2021-11-03T13:39:05Z")
I didn’t know the name of the song either, but the lyric “from the halls of Montezuma” was rattling around in my brain. I _might_ have written that down in a moment of panic. ---
**Author:** ![FairyChatMom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fairychatmom/32/21906_2.png) [@FairyChatMom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FairyChatMom)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2021, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jeopardy-thread-was-james-holzhauer-contains-spoilers/832696/3284 "2021-11-03T15:55:32Z")
I yelled out _Valparaiso_ - right country, wrong city. ---
**Author:** ![jaycat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jaycat/32/3015_2.png) [@jaycat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jaycat)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2021, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jeopardy-thread-was-james-holzhauer-contains-spoilers/832696/3285 "2021-11-03T23:59:24Z")
Did I hear this incorrectly, or did one of tonight’s contestants refer to the day his wife “dropped”? As in, gave birth? Not sure if this should go in the Neologisms thread… ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2021, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jeopardy-thread-was-james-holzhauer-contains-spoilers/832696/3286 "2021-11-04T00:49:50Z")
I think “dropped” refers to when the orientation of the baby changes inside the womb prior to giving birth. The next step is probably the mother’s water breaking. At least, that’s how I remember it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jeopardy-thread-was-james-holzhauer-contains-spoilers/832696.md?page=163) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jeopardy-thread-was-james-holzhauer-contains-spoilers/832696.md?page=165)