# The jobs bill just died in the Senate **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 12, 2011, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366 "2011-10-12T00:08:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366/1 "2011-10-12T00:08:29Z")
How do you feel about it? Republicans don’t have a legitimate counter. “Just cut taxes more” isn’t gonna work, and soon enough people will start to realize how empty the rhetoric is. What now? Are Republicans actually determined to obstruct any legislation that comes their way? Are we really going to coast by with double digit unemployment without any meaningful intervention? ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366/2 "2011-10-12T00:21:51Z")
So what isn’t Republican’s fault? Last I checked, not every Senate Democrat voted for the dang thing, either. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366/3 "2011-10-12T00:24:36Z")
I was kinda hoping that the Occupado movement would send the Pubbies into such a panic, they would throw themselves at Obama’s feet and blubber for forgiveness. Oh, well. The only bit of hopeful news in it is the relative solidity of Dem support. The Pubbies want that overseas tax holiday for their Masters. They will probably trade that for an unemployment extension, i.e., gimme the money or the working class stiff gets it. Fuckers. Maybe the Dems can squeeze a little something else out, but it ain’t gonna be easy. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366/4 "2011-10-12T00:24:57Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > So what isn’t Republican’s fault? Last I checked, not every Senate Democrat voted for the dang thing, either. Yeah, all two of them. :rolleyes: You do realize that there are moderate Dems, right? Not everybody is at the extremes of their parties. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366/5 "2011-10-12T00:26:47Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > So what isn’t Republican’s fault? Last I checked, not every Senate Democrat voted for the dang thing, either. Actually it’s Bush’s fault. ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366/6 "2011-10-12T00:29:52Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Yeah, all two of them. :rolleyes: You do realize that there are moderate Dems, right? Not everybody is at the extremes of their parties. So Nelson and Tester are moderates and the rest of their party are at the extreme? I can believe that. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366/7 "2011-10-12T00:30:05Z")
This was hardly unexpected. Now the Republicans are officially against jobs and for millionaires at the expense of the 99%. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366/8 "2011-10-12T00:45:59Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > This was hardly unexpected. Now the Republicans are officially against jobs and for millionaires at the expense of the 99%. Yes because this jobs bill will end the recession and bring unemployment to 2006 levels… :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366/9 "2011-10-12T00:48:51Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Yes because this jobs bill will end the recession and bring unemployment to 2006 levels… :rolleyes: That’s not a very sensible comment. Are you of the opinion that something that does not restore every single job isn’t worth doing? Also, the recession is over. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366/10 "2011-10-12T00:49:59Z")
I can’t help but think this makes Obama’s case for him. He’s trying to help, but them damn Republicans! Messing everything up for everyone. Wish we could hear some ideas from them other than “cut taxes for the job creators!” That record is getting old. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366/11 "2011-10-12T01:04:17Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > You do realize that there are moderate Dems, right? Not everybody is at the extremes of their parties. Though sometimes I think Republicans are trying to invent a mobius strip representing the spectrum of conservatism, just so every favored Republican can be further to the right than any disfavored Republican. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366/12 "2011-10-12T01:06:49Z")
Round two will be even better: they’re going to break up the bill into its constituent parts, and make the Republicans vote against each one of them. If we can’t create jobs, we might as well load up our guns for the election. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366/13 "2011-10-12T01:14:28Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > What now? Are Republicans actually determined to obstruct any legislation that comes their way? Yes. They’d rather see the country in ruins than for anything to happen that might make Obama look good. > [@Mosier](#): > > Are we really going to coast by with double digit unemployment without any meaningful intervention? Certainly, that’s what the Republicans want. It makes Obama look bad and hands employers enormous power by terrorizing the workforce. They call it “labor discipline”. Plus it hurts poor people which is always a plus in their eyes. As for the Democrats, they’re too spineless to matter much. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366/14 "2011-10-12T01:19:11Z")
Wasn’t this bill designed to die in the Senate? ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366/15 "2011-10-12T01:21:56Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Yes. They’d rather see the country in ruins than for anything to happen that might make Obama look good. You are violating the “assume good faith” debate rule. > [@](#): > > As for the Democrats, they’re too spineless to matter much. What should they have done differently? ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366/16 "2011-10-12T01:24:25Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Yes because this jobs bill will end the recession and bring unemployment to 2006 levels… :rolleyes: Nobody claimed it would. What’s your better idea? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366/17 "2011-10-12T01:42:19Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > You are violating the “assume good faith” debate rule. That’s a silly rule to follow when the other side _clearly_ isn’t acting in good faith and has even said so. A refusal to recognize that the Republicans _aren’t_ acting in good faith and _aren’t_ the “Loyal Opposition” is a major part of why the Democrats have been doing so badly for many years. They need to recognize that the Republicans are _enemies_, not just political rivals, and that the Republicans are unscrupulous, deeply irrational and completely lack concern for the welfare of the country. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366/18 "2011-10-12T01:42:22Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > Nobody claimed it would. What’s your better idea? Cut taxes. Which he doesn’t pay. ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366/19 "2011-10-12T01:44:50Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > That’s a silly rule to follow when the other side _clearly_ isn’t acting in good faith and has even said so. A refusal to recognize that the Republicans _aren’t_ acting in good faith and _aren’t_ the “Loyal Opposition” is a major part of why the Democrats have been doing so badly for many years. They need to recognize that the Republicans are _enemies_, not just political rivals, and that the Republicans are unscrupulous, deeply irrational and completely lack concern for the welfare of the country. You’re a Republican? ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366/20 "2011-10-12T01:46:53Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > Nobody claimed it would. What’s your better idea? That is what the GOP is saying-that cutting taxes will be better than the jobs bill rather than just because the GOP hates anything Obama does. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366.md?page=2)