# The jobs bill just died in the Senate **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 12, 2011, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366 "2011-10-12T00:08:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366/101 "2011-10-13T01:03:26Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Those were not votes to pass the bill. I’ve been busy this week. Was this just a procedural vote? ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366/102 "2011-10-13T02:42:24Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Pretty much. It’s nothing but a grandstand play so that Obama can have some re-election fodder. It sure as hell wasn’t going to create jobs. Do I believe your right wing slant or the Congressional Budget Office that said 1.9 million jobs? ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366/103 "2011-10-13T03:12:45Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > It is not possible to be more wrong. Tax rates went down immediately prior to the Depression, and went up until they reached their [highest point](http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2011/04/us-tax-rates-1916-2010/) around 1945 (when most people agree the Depression had been over for awhile). Tax rates did not fall significantly until the early 1980s. > > ETA: You actually thought the USA cut spending to fight world war 2? Was that a typo? > > Seeing how your version of history conflicts with what actually happened, please take some time to research your statements of fact before you post them. Not the Great Depression, the depression of 1920. ---
**Author:** ![Da\_Mikster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bb73d2/32.png) [@Da\_Mikster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Da_Mikster)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366/104 "2011-10-13T06:46:14Z")
S’ils n’ont plus de pain, qu’ils mangent de la brioche… about sums it up, don’t it? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366/105 "2011-10-13T06:56:40Z")
Did you just tell us all to bite your breadstick? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366/106 "2011-10-13T13:55:04Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Did you just tell us all to bite your breadstick? I think he said it’s painful to shove a brioche up your ass. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366/107 "2011-10-13T13:59:58Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > How many Pubs, after all, can you find in the [Congressional Progressive Caucus?](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Progressive_Caucus) Just read the wiki on that. I wouldn’t join any group that included Maxine Waters Barney Frank Nancy Pelosi Maxine Waters (just to re-emphesize) Peter DiFazio (who voted against the stimulus because it was a compromise bill with the Republicans) and Maxine Waters Plus [my own representative](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Polis)is in that group. Would you belong to any group with a guy that dresses like that They could be going out rescuing stray kittens and I still wouldn’t join that group. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366/108 "2011-10-13T15:15:02Z")
Why did you only count Maxine Waters twice? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366/109 "2011-10-13T16:01:34Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Why did you only count Maxine Waters twice? Actually 3 times. In fact, you could take all of the other names off that list and only have Maxine Waters and it would be enough. ---
**Author:** ![Scot\_Dutch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@Scot\_Dutch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scot_Dutch)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366/110 "2011-10-13T16:55:22Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Why did you only count Maxine Waters twice? “One of these things is not like the others…” ---
**Author:** ![MilTan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71e660/32.png) [@MilTan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MilTan)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366/111 "2011-10-13T17:06:28Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Those were not votes to pass the bill. I’m confused as to the distinction you are drawing. Are you suggesting that if this were an actual vote on the bill, rather than a cloture vote, there wouldn’t have been 51 Democratic votes for it? Or are you saying because the Democrats didn’t have enough votes to secure cloture, this is merely grandstanding? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366/112 "2011-10-13T17:38:17Z")
That is certainly possible. The Pubbies are a wholly owned subsidiary of the Mammonite Church, but so are a number of Dems. ---
**Author:** ![Da\_Mikster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bb73d2/32.png) [@Da\_Mikster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Da_Mikster)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366/113 "2011-10-13T18:04:38Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I think he said it’s painful to shove a brioche up your ass. Ah, humor. There’s nothing like it… and that most certainly wasn’t. :dubious: The quote, “S’ils n’ont plus de pain, qu’ils mangent de la brioche” (If they have no bread, let them eat cake) is what most Historians assure us Marie Antoinette mostly likely _never_ said… but our corporate owned government **is** currently saying — very loud and clear. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366/114 "2011-10-13T18:10:58Z")
_When you whoosh upon a star…_ ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366/115 "2011-10-13T19:32:06Z")
_c’est la vie_ > [@MilTan](#): > > I’m confused as to the distinction you are drawing. Are you suggesting that if this were an actual vote on the bill, rather than a cloture vote, there wouldn’t have been 51 Democratic votes for it? Or are you saying because the Democrats didn’t have enough votes to secure cloture, this is merely grandstanding? _Oui. Mas o menos._ ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-jobs-bill-just-died-in-the-senate/599366/116 "2011-10-13T19:33:41Z")
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