# The John F. Kennedy Administration-Who Were "Fiddle and Faddle"?
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**Category:** Factual Questions
**Created:** [February 1, 2004, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-john-f-kennedy-administration-who-were-fiddle-and-faddle/227057 "2004-02-01T17:44:03Z")
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### Author:  [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)
#### Post date: [February 1, 2004, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-john-f-kennedy-administration-who-were-fiddle-and-faddle/227057/1 "2004-02-01T17:44:03Z")
I was reading an account of JFK’s time as president…and the book relates seve5al incidents when Kennedy swam in the White House swimming pool. He was accompanied by two young women (secretaries?) , who the Secret Service agents dubbed “Fiddle and Faddle”. From these accounts, these women provided numerous"services" to the president…none of which will be mentioned here.
Who were these women? And, did either of them ever comment later upon the nature of their employment in the White House?
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### Author:  [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)
#### Post date: [February 1, 2004, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-john-f-kennedy-administration-who-were-fiddle-and-faddle/227057/2 "2004-02-01T18:19:42Z")
Esteemed White House correspondent Hugh Sidey claims they existed:
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> The White House press corps, he said, was well aware of the seamy side of Kennedy’s personal life – particularly his sexual promiscuity, including extramarital dalliances running from hotel-room trysts with famous actresses to poolside quickies with White House staffers – but chose not to report it.
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> ‘‘I knew the girls. I knew what they did, that sort of thing. But [there were] no diaries, no confessions, no biographies, no pictures, none of that,’’ Sidey said. ``Nobody came out in the public. Nevertheless, the circumstantial evidence was there. . . .
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> ``You remember the two little girls that had desks outside the president’s office, Fiddle and Faddle? And they had no discernible secretarial skills whatever. They couldn’t take shorthand. We weren’t even sure they could answer the phone.’’
[http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/entertainment/television/7668199.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp](http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/entertainment/television/7668199.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp)