# The Kamala Harris thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** kamala-harris\ **Created:** [October 20, 2018, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kamala-harris-thread/823236 "2018-10-20T03:08:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2018, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kamala-harris-thread/823236/21 "2018-10-20T21:06:00Z")
ha ha, “violently” against guns. You’re a riot with the punning. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kamala-harris-thread/823236/22 "2018-10-21T14:05:34Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Saw plenty of her during the Kavanaugh hearings (which probably caused a bump in her support; she favorably impressed me). The only way I’d have known she was black is that I’ve already been informed of the fact. Perhaps I wasn’t clear, but the point is that there isn’t a certain way to “look black” because being black in America is more than just how strangers perceive you. Sure, that’s part of it, maybe even a big part of it, but it’s not all of it. When you live in a household where one parent is obviously black, you’re going to get treated differently growing up no matter what you look like. Also, keep in mind that lots of black women straighten their hair. I don’t know that Harris does, but you might perceive her differently if she wore her hair short and natural. I wasn’t meaning to imply that anyone seeing a picture of Harris would immediately think “oh, she’s black”. And, btw, I’m probably not telling you anything you don’t know. I just wanted to clear up where I was coming from. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kamala-harris-thread/823236/23 "2018-10-21T15:01:26Z")
> [@ITR\_champion](#): > > the voters want policy …I’m not sure where you get this impression. The candidate who ran on “policy” in the last election lost toe the candidate whose list of policies was 8 vague goals he was obviously incapable of actually doing. People may not give a shit about identity, but they _super_ don’t give a shit about policy. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kamala-harris-thread/823236/24 "2018-10-21T15:27:25Z")
I want to see Ms. Harris on the stage. She may make a good Veep pick. _ **No, do not offer her the #1 job** _ until she’s served as V.P. > [@Tamerlane](#): > > Kamala Harris was considered part of the “moderate” wing. Here’s a view from the [harder left](https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/08/kamala-harris-trump-obama-california-attorney-general). It’s hard to do anything of consequence without offending someone. Ms. Harris does have achievements to be proud of: > [@](#): > > [As District Attorney for San Francisco, Kamala Harris launched the _Back on Track_ program which led to the] city’s recidivism rates dropping from 54 percent to 10 percent in six years. What has Bernie Sanders _done_ that has had direct effect on the real world? But because 13 years of consequential decisions as a top prosecutor will inevitably have controversy, the GOP will find “liberal” actions to be enraged about, and the Bernie-Bro types will find “non-liberal” decisions to hate. Maybe all the D’s can hope for now is a relatively inexperienced person with little in the way of record, good or bad. Is that why the young Senator Obama could run successfully? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kamala-harris-thread/823236/25 "2018-10-21T15:28:30Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > … > On May 17, 2013, the state attorney general began enforcing a new law requiring that semi-automatic pistols incorporate microstamping. … UIAM, this is grossly misleading. Things are not so dire for gun lovers as this sounds. The Glock-19 with a ten-round magazine, for example, is quite legal despite lack of “miicrostamping.” ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kamala-harris-thread/823236/26 "2018-10-21T15:33:40Z")
> [@guizot](#): > > Well, I don’t need to tell you that Obama is just as much “white” as he is “black,” Nitpick. While genealogists haven’t found a white ancestor for Obama’s father, Obama’s mother is almost certainly 11-gt granddaughter of John Punch, a black slave. This would make the 44th President 50.0061% black and only 49.9939% white. 😃 BTW, John Punch wasn’t just some miscellaneous slave; he has the “distinction” of being called the “first black slave” in the American colonies! His legal status was the same as two white men, but justice was dispensed unequally: > [@Virginia Governor's Council](#): > > Whereas Hugh Gwyn hath by order from this Board brought back from Maryland three servants formerly run away from the said Gwyn, the court doth therefore order that the said three servants shall receive the punishment of whipping and have thirty stripes apiece. One called Victor, **a Dutchman** , the other **a Scotchman** called James Gregory, shall first serve out their times with their master according to their Indentures, **and one whole year apiece** after the time of their service is expired by their said indentures in recompense of his loss sustained by their absence, and after that service to their said master is expired, to serve the colony for three whole years apiece. **And that the third being a negro** named John Punch shall serve his said master or his assigns for **the time of his natural life** here or elsewhere.[ ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kamala-harris-thread/823236/27 "2018-10-21T15:49:51Z")
> [@Ulfreida](#): > > I’m from California and Kamala Harris favorably impressed me – smart, principled, energetic, and not tied to Big anything. She is not as easy to pigeonhole as Warren and Sanders. > > I’m sure the Right will hate her to death for being a woman far more than being any non-white race. Big Slave Firefighting not a thing yet? Big Non-Violent Incarceration? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kamala-harris-thread/823236/28 "2018-10-21T19:24:25Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > UIAM, this is grossly misleading. Things are not so dire for gun lovers as this sounds. The Glock-19 with a ten-round magazine, for example, is quite legal despite lack of “miicrostamping.” Yes, because it is a older design and thus is on the list. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kamala-harris-thread/823236/29 "2018-10-21T19:25:40Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I want to see Ms. Harris on the stage. She may make a good Veep pick. _ **No, do not offer her the #1 job** _ until she’s served as V.P. > > It’s hard to do anything of consequence without offending someone. Ms. Harris does have achievements to be proud of: > > What has Bernie Sanders _done_ that has had direct effect on the real world? > ? Yes, I think Harris as Veep would be good. Well, yes, Back on Track is a pretty good idea, but it is not her idea. She did push for it to be implemented, so she gets some credit. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kamala-harris-thread/823236/30 "2018-10-21T20:59:36Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Yes, because it is a older design and thus is on the list. Yes, obviously. California was trying to use its economic might to influence future gun design. Texas uses its economic might to get creationism into school textbooks, Caliifornia uses its to reduce gun violence. _ **Potato Potahto ?** _ ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kamala-harris-thread/823236/31 "2018-10-21T21:11:17Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I hope she wins (the primary) A lot of us were hoping that Trump would win the primary too. Look how well that turned out for Trump’s political opponents. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kamala-harris-thread/823236/32 "2018-10-21T21:46:25Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Yes, obviously. California was trying to use its economic might to influence future gun design. Texas uses its economic might to get creationism into school textbooks, Caliifornia uses its to reduce gun violence. _ **Potato Potahto ?** _ Well, you see, microstamping is pretty useless as a LE tool, and it simply isnt technologically feasible. It wont “reduce gun violence”. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kamala-harris-thread/823236/33 "2018-10-21T22:00:10Z")
> [@Lamoral](#): > > Pile of problems, no. His only problem was that he was very rigid and seemed uncomfortable on the debate stage - something that could be solved with proper coaching and guidance and practice. I didn’t watch any of that. He’s got policy problems. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kamala-harris-thread/823236/34 "2018-10-21T22:13:44Z")
None of them are black, they are only seen as black because of the one drop rule which goes way back in the US. Black people have accepted them as black in the US because there is basically no other choice here. In other countries they would not be considered to be black. This has caused problems. You have real black people comparing themselves look wise to people that are not actually black, but society says they are. So you see black people wanting to have that look, but they can’t. This is where the whole good hair bad hair with black people thing comes from. This is of course by design. To explain my thoughts on this further, I consider Native Americans to be white. Same with Asians, Iraqi’s, Syrians, Pakistanis ect. It really goes by the hair. The fact that white people don’t see this is a problem with white people. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kamala-harris-thread/823236/35 "2018-10-21T23:49:59Z")
I like Harris and I am open to supporting her, should she run. I’ll see what all the candidates say on the issues, and I’ll look at their record, and I’ll choose the one I think has the best combination of matching my stances on the issues and strong likelihood of beating Trump. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kamala-harris-thread/823236/36 "2018-10-22T00:18:39Z")
What the Democrats need is a tough guy who can somehow be progressive. Biden and Sanders are too old, and Harris isn’t a tough guy. I’m sorry, but a liberal female isn’t going to win the White House, and that’s because not enough white women would support her. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kamala-harris-thread/823236/37 "2018-10-22T00:23:55Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > What the Democrats need is a tough guy who can somehow be progressive. Biden and Sanders are too old, and Harris isn’t a tough guy. I’m sorry, but a liberal female isn’t going to win the White House, and that’s because not enough white women would support her. Predictions this early are absolutely meaningless. Tons of Democrats thought there’s no way a black candidate could win in '08. And tons of Democrats thought there’s no way any Democrat could lose against Trump. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kamala-harris-thread/823236/38 "2018-10-22T01:17:09Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Predictions this early are absolutely meaningless. Tons of Democrats thought there’s no way a black candidate could win in '08. And tons of Democrats thought there’s no way any Democrat could lose against Trump. 2020 won’t be 2008. People don’t understand what’s about to happen. ---
**Author:** ![TimeWinder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@TimeWinder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TimeWinder)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kamala-harris-thread/823236/39 "2018-10-22T01:27:46Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Predictions this early are absolutely meaningless. Tons of Democrats thought there’s no way a black candidate could win in '08. And tons of Democrats thought there’s no way any Democrat could lose against Trump. It’s increasingly unclear that any of them did. ---
**Author:** ![Anxious\_Squirrel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/anxious_squirrel/32/1083_2.png) [@Anxious\_Squirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anxious_Squirrel)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kamala-harris-thread/823236/40 "2018-10-22T01:30:50Z")
I got a funny email a couple months ago from some financial company selling info products to conservatives. And according to them Kamala Harris Is Worse Than Oprah, and she is probably going to win and turn America into a dystopian paradise. She will run on a platform where she promises to erase all student debt and she will usher in universal healthcare and universal basic income for everyone. It made me wish very much I was living in their nightmare. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kamala-harris-thread/823236.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kamala-harris-thread/823236.md?page=3)