# The kanicbird konundrum **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 22, 2011, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kanicbird-konundrum/603802 "2011-11-22T22:09:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![B.Serum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/b.serum/32/14266_2.png) [@B.Serum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/B.Serum)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2011, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kanicbird-konundrum/603802/241 "2011-12-02T21:54:59Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > Or an early Kinks album. > > I’m not sure what to make of him, but I do get the impression he’s sincere. > > I disagree: he doesn’t really remind me of the rational _or_ the irrational Christians I’ve known. He’s got his own, unique point of view and version of reality. kanicbird is not alone: [Club 36](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAM8ILWgYb4&feature=related) ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2011, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kanicbird-konundrum/603802/242 "2011-12-03T14:39:40Z")
BTW, it did, at the time, make sense to assume homosexuality was a mental illness–because very few normal people ever came out. The only people the psychologists knew were homosexual were the ones with mental problems. Furthermore, being a homosexual and having to hide it creates its own set of mental problems. It makes sense to not yet realize that it was the hiding that was causing the problem. And the declassification wasn’t political either, despite what some social conservatives would want you to believe. Over time, psychologists discovered that homosexuals could lead happy and productive lives without being “cured.” And they were of no danger to anyone else in society. Since a mental illness is defined as a mental issue that causes the opposite of the above without treatment, homosexuality clearly did not fit the criteria. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kanicbird-konundrum/603802/243 "2011-12-04T17:05:08Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Well, to be fair, Pocahontas wasn’t really known as a guide. She was hot, though. Much better to be lost in the forest with a hot chick, than to be led home by some dude. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kanicbird-konundrum/603802/244 "2011-12-04T17:13:19Z")
She was TWELVE, ya deve. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kanicbird-konundrum/603802/245 "2011-12-04T20:27:24Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > She was TWELVE, ya deve. 😛 Yah, but she _looked_ 15. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kanicbird-konundrum/603802/246 "2011-12-04T20:45:15Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > As a infant I was molested and endured that in a helpless state. That was a diaper change, genius. ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kanicbird-konundrum/603802/247 "2011-12-04T20:54:07Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > BTW, it did, at the time, make sense to assume homosexuality was a mental illness–because very few normal people ever came out. The only people the psychologists knew were homosexual were the ones with mental problems. Furthermore, being a homosexual and having to hide it creates its own set of mental problems. It makes sense to not yet realize that it was the hiding that was causing the problem. > > And the declassification wasn’t political either, despite what some social conservatives would want you to believe. Over time, psychologists discovered that homosexuals could lead happy and productive lives without being “cured.” And they were of no danger to anyone else in society. Since a mental illness is defined as a mental issue that causes the opposite of the above without treatment, homosexuality clearly did not fit the criteria. Few “normal people”?? The out gays of recent era were often creative geniuses: Capote, Warhol, Tennessee Williams, Billie Holiday… Homosexuality isn’t a recent trend, and out homos were all the rage in Greece during a certain area. And in Thailand… (not going to list current cultural or historical examples of gay acceptance, because the backlash against homosexuality was and continues to be a Christian-driven trend, and not an ongoing, worldwide POV) Your opinion about why homosexuality was removed from the DSM is an interesting (offensive) angle, but if you will do a little research the decision is well documented by professionals. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2011, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kanicbird-konundrum/603802/248 "2011-12-05T14:29:48Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > A witness post in the Pit, who would have though of such a thing, surely not I. It was unquestionably God working through us and has been helpful and revealing. > > What was revealed was the very nature of evil and why it’s apparently so powerful in our world today all this through something that happened to me as a infant, long buried till the time was right to deal with it. > > As a infant I was molested and endured that in a helpless state. It was so damaging to my inner self that it was blocked out, but it did form the basis of the nature for a sexual relationship in my mind. At sexual maturity the pattern was I was helpless and she was to do what she pleases. That pattern made it very difficult to get a date at all, since I was almost waiting for some girl out of the blue to take my hand lead me into the bedroom and have her way with me - at least at a subconscious level. > > When I was ready to start looking into my self for issues, problems in my life, that long buried pattern and event surfaced. Worse yet the strength dynamic did not change, she was always more powerful then I was to the degree of a infant to a adult. I have grown these demons in proportion to my own growth, which always left me in the same helpless condition. Though it was not helpless. > > For the weakest among us, our infants, God has equipped with a single mighty all powerful weapon for all troubles - to cry. The solution to defeat this pattern was the same back then as now, to cry. So that’s exactly what I did, to God directly and to those I knew, and in church groups. That cry was heard by God through these people and broke that destructive pattern in my life, allowing normal, and very wonderful relationships. > > Going further in this, I believe this is the pattern of evil in our world. Trauma very early in life, not dealt with, grows undetected in that person to much greater levels when it manifests itself, then sometimes passed on to other children for this pattern to continue to grow. > > So I do thank you all, especially **Czarcasm** for allowing this to go deeper to it’s very core and to conclusion, and since this is the pit, who I hope now feels used like a school girl who brought a college guy to prom night as she wakes up the next day, but in a good way 🙂 You see, individually I understand the words, but in that order? Nah. Less readable than Tolkien, and that’s saying something. ---
**Author:** ![Nancarrow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c37758/32.png) [@Nancarrow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nancarrow)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kanicbird-konundrum/603802/249 "2011-12-06T10:37:11Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > Succubi are beautiful demonesses who revel in debauchery and seek out the seed of mortal men. But isn’t there a downside? Like the part where they steal your only immortal soul? That doesn’t sound quite right. How about this? “Succubi are beautiful demonesses who revel in debauchery, seek out the seed of mortal men, and steal their only immortal souls. But there may also be a downside.” ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kanicbird-konundrum/603802/250 "2011-12-06T15:28:02Z")
> [@Nancarrow](#): > > That doesn’t sound quite right. How about this? > > “Succubi are beautiful demonesses who revel in debauchery, seek out the seed of mortal men, and steal their only immortal souls. But there may also be a downside.” This is why you should get the insurance. ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2011, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kanicbird-konundrum/603802/251 "2011-12-15T20:46:41Z")
[Don’t mess with kanicbird, folks. God will strike you lame.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14545173&postcount=45) ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2011, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kanicbird-konundrum/603802/252 "2011-12-15T22:46:36Z")
**StusBlues** : Good find. That post sounds like a chain mail letter, doesn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Jenaroph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2011, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kanicbird-konundrum/603802/253 "2011-12-15T23:37:05Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > That was a diaper change, genius. This is a week and a half old but I wanted you to know I saw it and bwah-hah’d. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kanicbird-konundrum/603802.md?page=12)