# The kanicbird konundrum **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 22, 2011, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kanicbird-konundrum/603802 "2011-11-22T22:09:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2011, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kanicbird-konundrum/603802/121 "2011-11-25T02:50:46Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Read my last post in the GQ thread, and thank you for your concern 🙂 OK. I’ve read it now. Let’s look at that. > [@kanicbird](#): > > Did you miss the post that I have seen 2 physiatrists and 5 social workers over the years? Only one recommended that medication may be useful, but then changed her mind that same week and suggested that I keep doing what I have been as she felt it was far better then anything she could do and she would only get in the way of what she saw as a good in my life to continue. > > So yes I have considered it, but experts in the field did not really like that and suggested against it. But thanks for asking. Most people do not have to see seven professionals in five years. Just because you have, means there is obviously a problem with your mental health that you are at least halfway admitting to yourself. Otherwise you would be resistant to even have seeing them. But I don’t believe she would have said “to keep doing what you have been” if she knew you were driving drunk and expecting an ArchAngel to protect you, and those you put in danger, from harm. If you continue that destructive behavior, you will hurt those around you. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2011, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kanicbird-konundrum/603802/122 "2011-11-25T03:08:01Z")
As an addendum, **kanicbird** , you are going to have to keep trying with mental professionals. Social workers aren’t all that great with this type of thing and Lord knows that Psychiatrists are not all created equal. You need to find someone that will help you avoid destructive behavior. Your journey is not done. Find that profesional. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2011, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kanicbird-konundrum/603802/123 "2011-11-25T03:59:13Z")
> [@sh1bu1](#): > > It would help us a lot if you could define the line at which religion becomes mental illness, because it’s not all that clear. I’m guessing you think **Kanicbird** is nuts, what is it about your religious beliefs that make them sane and his not? > > To Trekkies and Trekkers, I’m sure it looks as though there is a huge gulf between them but to the rest of us not so much. Well, hearing an angel use a Jedi Mind Trick to get you out of a DUI and seeing demons in the faces of your neighbor’s cat would probably qualify. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2011, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kanicbird-konundrum/603802/124 "2011-11-25T04:33:58Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Read my last post in the GQ thread, and thank you for your concern 🙂 I read it, and either you are blowing more smoke up our asses, or you managed to find “professionals” that ought to have their licenses taken away. _Anybody_ willing to believe that you are doing fine and/or dandy after you described to them how the"Arch Angel Micheal" stopped a policeman from giving you a ticket you admittedly earned for drunken driving should be locked up next to you in the looney bin. _If you are telling the truth_ you are a danger to those around you. If you think this is “LOL :)” funny, you are currently the biggest jerk currently on the this message board. _That_ should be the only thing “debated” in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2011, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kanicbird-konundrum/603802/125 "2011-11-25T04:43:39Z")
> [@Trans Fat Og](#): > > May I please use this last sentence of yours as part of my sig? > > _ **- Trans Fat Og, the other white “Jack”** _ You may do with it whatever you like. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2011, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kanicbird-konundrum/603802/126 "2011-11-25T05:22:22Z")
> [@sh1bu1](#): > > To Trekkies and Trekkers, I’m sure it looks as though there is a huge gulf between them but to the rest of us not so much. There IS a huge gulf. A Trekkie is a Star Trek fan who takes his devotion to the show to extremes. A Trekker is a hand-held GPS device for the blind, developed by HumanWare. ---
**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2011, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kanicbird-konundrum/603802/127 "2011-11-25T06:22:15Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > As I said before, it’s the same thing as scientologists denying that whole branch of scientific investigation. Not sure why you keep bringing up Scientology to rebut atheists. It’s just another religion not to believe. It’s a minority religion that seems particularly wacko because it started recently, but in the end it’s only marginally more nutty than transubstantiation, the virgin birth, and the Trinity. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2011, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kanicbird-konundrum/603802/128 "2011-11-25T06:33:42Z")
What’s REALLY scary is that I believe **Kanicbird** has said he works with children. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2011, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kanicbird-konundrum/603802/129 "2011-11-25T07:31:51Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > You do realize by criticizing the DSM-V you are criticizing the science it is based on, right? The DSM created by same group who until the 70s officially regarded homosexuality as a mental illness? Of course; I see no reason to consider them immune to prejudice & political pressure. And since many are no doubt believers themselves both their rationality and honesty on anything touching religion cannot be trusted. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2011, 9:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kanicbird-konundrum/603802/130 "2011-11-25T09:06:33Z")
> [@sh1bu1](#): > > It would help us a lot if you could define the line at which religion becomes mental illness, because it’s not all that clear. I’m guessing you think **Kanicbird** is nuts, what is it about your religious beliefs that make them sane and his not? **Father Dougal:** God, Ted, I heard about those cults. Everyone dressing in black and saying our Lord’s gonna come back and judge us all. **Father Ted:** No… No, Dougal, that’s us. That’s Catholicism. ---
**Author:** ![Filbert](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/filbert/32/3433_2.png) [@Filbert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Filbert)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2011, 9:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kanicbird-konundrum/603802/131 "2011-11-25T09:52:19Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > What’s REALLY scary is that I believe **Kanicbird** has said he works with children. :eek: 's ok, he’s probably hallucinating them too. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2011, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kanicbird-konundrum/603802/132 "2011-11-25T10:35:09Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > The DSM created by same group who until the 70s officially regarded homosexuality as a mental illness? Of course; I see no reason to consider them immune to prejudice & political pressure. And since many are no doubt believers themselves both their rationality and honesty on anything touching religion cannot be trusted. Dude! This is WHY I keep bringing up Scientology. You refuse the science behind modern psychology, and you think everybody except you and yours is “delusional”. That’s Scientology in a nutshell! You can’t pick and choose scientific theories. That’s what the the global warming deniers do. Face it, you are a disingenuous hypocrite that preaches science, but denies it when it doesn’t fit your preconceived hateful notions. You’re a fucking bigot, and your are not going to allow any amount of scientific research to prove you otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2011, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kanicbird-konundrum/603802/133 "2011-11-25T11:08:00Z")
Nah, I already said it above. ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2011, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kanicbird-konundrum/603802/134 "2011-11-25T11:38:55Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > You can’t pick and choose scientific theories. That’s what the the global warming deniers do. Face it, you are a disingenuous hypocrite that preaches science, but denies it when it doesn’t fit your preconceived hateful notions. You’re a fucking bigot, and your are not going to allow any amount of scientific research to prove you otherwise. Seriously? You insist on comparing a discipline which relies heavily on self-reporting by patients with admittedly fractured thoughts and deviant behavior to a discipline with quantifiable results? Yet eleven posts back, you refute **kanicbird** ’s assertion that his therapist patted him on the back and sent him on his merry way. _You_ don’t even believe **kanicbird** ’s self-report, nor do you believe his therapist’s assessment. If _you_ don’t consider psychology to be reliable scientific process, why should we? ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2011, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kanicbird-konundrum/603802/135 "2011-11-25T11:42:12Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > Nah, I already said it above. Don’t be ridiculous– **Der Trihs** is hardly “refus[ing] the science behind modern psychology,” as you falsely contend. He’s pointing out that psychologists, practioners of a very soft science, have historically made some poor value judgments (as regarding homosexuality as a mental illness, for example) that are held in contempt today because they (the practioners) allowed themselves to be ruled by their own subjective values rather than any scientific principles. You’re making a fool out of yourself by blowing this up into **Der Trihs** ’ wholesale rejection of all of science, and his consequent hypocrisy. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2011, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kanicbird-konundrum/603802/136 "2011-11-25T11:57:21Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > Dude! This is WHY I keep bringing up Scientology. You refuse the science behind modern psychology, and you think everybody except you and yours is “delusional”. That’s Scientology in a nutshell! > > You can’t pick and choose scientific theories. That’s what the the global warming deniers do. Face it, you are a disingenuous hypocrite that preaches science, but denies it when it doesn’t fit your preconceived hateful notions. You’re a fucking bigot, and your are not going to allow any amount of scientific research to prove you otherwise. Two things. 1. Psychology is, as far as I can tell, about as soft as real science gets (without descending into pure quackery). **Yes, it is a legitimate discipline with real insights and real knowledge to offer us.** But at the same time it’s far more likely than, say, Biology, Physics, or Astronomy to be hit by the prejudices of the time, in part due to the aforementioned “self-reported” nature, and in part because so much of it is in how you interpret it. 2. I think **Der Trihs** wasn’t claiming Psychology fallacious so much as to say that if the majority of people are nuts, nobody is going to come out and say it, but rather will pretend that said insanity is the norm. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2011, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kanicbird-konundrum/603802/137 "2011-11-25T12:15:17Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > You’re making a fool out of yourself by blowing this up into **Der Trihs** ’ wholesale rejection of all of science, and his consequent hypocrisy. He is hypocritical. He backed himself into a corner, as did others, by denying the DSM-V. Yes, the DSM is changed over time, that’s why it’s “V” now. (It’s actually V point something or other but I won’t get into that). Iit is _how_ mental disorders are diagnosed. The whole field of psychology updates that constantly. To deny its validity is to deny the whole field. **DerTrihs** is claiming that it’s politically based. That’s bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2011, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kanicbird-konundrum/603802/138 "2011-11-25T12:19:33Z")
Okay, explain how homosexuality changed from a mental disorder to not a mental disorder in the late 20th century–purely in terms of science. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2011, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kanicbird-konundrum/603802/139 "2011-11-25T12:40:59Z")
You know, I don’t give a shit. My _fucking_ point is that there is a difference between run of the mill religion (not snake charming, faith “healing” bullshit, but every day religion) and schizophrenia, and anybody who can’t see that is an idiot. Some atheists have an ax to grind, I get that, but that doesn’t make them less of an asshole for grinding their ax in a thread about a schizophrenic. It’s really a matter of tact. I damn well know I’m not showing tact here, but I am the guy that stands up and says, “HEY! You’re being an asshole!” I am not going to sit by and let unwarranted attacks go unanswered. And why should I? I’m not even that religious, but there were too many posts that are clearly bigoted against those that are. Assholes aren’t even posting about **kanicbird** , they are grinding their goddamn axes regarding religion and I don’t fucking appreciate it. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2011, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kanicbird-konundrum/603802/140 "2011-11-25T12:43:12Z")
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