# The Kavanaugh Effect. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 8, 2018, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kavanaugh-effect/824189 "2018-11-08T14:43:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kavanaugh-effect/824189/41 "2018-11-08T16:51:47Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > There is zero corroboration evidence for any other of her claims. False ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kavanaugh-effect/824189/42 "2018-11-08T16:53:00Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > False Lets see it then. He claim was she was at a gathering, in Maryland, where she was taken into a room, and was subjected to a an attempted rape by Kavanaugh, with Judge as a witness. No one else has corroborated any of this. And no, the therapists notes and her husband/friends recollections are not corroboration, as they are not independent (they were told by her) and note close in time or space. If, for example, someone had said that they recalled a party where both attended, that would have been corroboration of at least one part (gathering), or if someone had said they saw the three disappear, that would have been corroboration of another part (taken into a room). ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kavanaugh-effect/824189/43 "2018-11-08T17:02:38Z")
Here’s an easy one. From Dr. Ford’s letter to Feinstein. “Both were one to two years older than me and students at a local private school.” Corroborated or uncorroborated? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kavanaugh-effect/824189/44 "2018-11-08T17:02:39Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Please. I don’t think there is any value in having that debate again, so let’s just focus on whether or not it would be smart for the Democrats to re-open the investigation into Ford’s allegations: You think they should? You think they will? Assuming the accusers are willing to continue speaking out (and they may not be), then yes, and yes. If they are not, then they can and should pursue the possibility that Kavanaugh perjured himself (which seems extremely likely, based on all the evidence) in his testinomy. They don’t need to make every step a spectacle. But I see no reason why they shouldn’t pursue these things. And I recall multiple Democrats saying that they would, if they were to win either the House or Senate. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kavanaugh-effect/824189/45 "2018-11-08T17:10:53Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Here’s an easy one. From Dr. Ford’s letter to Feinstein. > > “Both were one to two years older than me and students at a local private school.” > > Corroborated or uncorroborated? :dubious: :smack: That’s…not corroborating evidence. That’s the allegation itself. No one disputed that the parties were in private schools in Maryland and their school years overlapped. It’s like claiming that Nicole Brown Simpson was OJ’s ex wife, therefore that is evidence he killed her… ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kavanaugh-effect/824189/46 "2018-11-08T17:13:05Z")
A full investigation, including on-the-record statements under threat of perjury from all the witnesses, might actually tell us the extent of the corroborating evidence and testimony. Unfortunately, Kavanaugh refused to call for this and the Republican leadership in Congress prevented it from occurring. Now that the Democrats will have the HoR, they can opt to do a full and thorough investigation of these allegations, since one was never undertaken. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kavanaugh-effect/824189/47 "2018-11-08T17:13:35Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > :dubious: :smack: > That’s…not corroborating evidence. That’s the allegation itself. No one disputed that the parties were in private schools in Maryland and their school years overlapped. It is a claim in her account that has been corroborated. The reason why no one disputed it is precisely because it is corroborated. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kavanaugh-effect/824189/48 "2018-11-08T17:49:52Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > It is a claim in her account that has been corroborated. The reason why no one disputed it is precisely because it is corroborated. It is NOT a claim in her account that has been corroborated! Do you even know what that word means?? Don’t make me go all Inigo Montoya on you. :dubious: Since there is no indication that either Kavanaugh or Judge were the actual people involved, it would only be corroborating that they match the description if they were the only possible people who could meet that description. They are not; there are plenty of other people who could stand in for Kavanaugh and Judge and still be one or two years older than her and students at a local private school. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kavanaugh-effect/824189/49 "2018-11-08T17:55:14Z")
As for the OP: I don’t think it mattered in the least. Heidi Heitkamp and Claire McCaskill were going to lose their seats anyway, due to the theme that emerged from the election that “red” states got redder. Thus, even if Nelson and Donnelly had not lost, the number for the Republicans would have been up to 53, giving them plenty of margin for losing states like Nevada (where they did lose) and Texas (where they didn’t). ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kavanaugh-effect/824189/50 "2018-11-08T19:18:11Z")
How about the claim that Kavanaugh was a heavy drinker, prone to going to drinking parties? That one’s pretty thoroughly corroborated, and should have been enough all by itself to keep him off the court. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kavanaugh-effect/824189/51 "2018-11-08T19:33:20Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > As compared to Trump, or Kavanaugh, both of whom resisted any and every attempt at a full and complete investigation into the allegations against them > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I thought Kavanaugh also advocated for an investigation. A couple of key adjectives got dropped there. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kavanaugh-effect/824189/52 "2018-11-08T20:35:19Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > He did not. He had the opportunity to say “I want this fully investigated by the FBI before there is any vote”, but he chose another route. He refused to call for a full FBI investigation, even when directly asked. At best, he advocated for the bullshit token fake “investigation” that Senate Republican leaders did, but nothing more. Why does the investigation have to suspend the vote to conduct the investigation? And where is the cry and hue for the investigation now that the confirmation has already taken place. It’s almost as if all the Democrats were really interested in was delaying he process in the hopes of winning the senate. If what they really want is justice, why aren’t they demanding it anymore? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kavanaugh-effect/824189/53 "2018-11-08T20:37:24Z")
> [@Chingon](#): > > Not using ‘we’ anymore? It seemed to cause some confusion. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kavanaugh-effect/824189/54 "2018-11-08T20:38:34Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Why does the investigation have to suspend the vote to conduct the investigation? Gee, maybe because the results of the investigation might be useful information to those making the decision on whether this guy is appropriate for SCOTUS? > [@](#): > > And where is the cry and hue for the investigation now that the confirmation has already taken place. It’s almost as if all the Democrats were really interested in was delaying he process in the hopes of winning the senate. If what they really want is justice, why aren’t they demanding it anymore? We are demanding it, and Democrats said that once they took either the House or Senate, they would make it happen. So we won the House, and we’ll get the investigation in the new year. And if we don’t, progressives like me will howl like mad at our representatives. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kavanaugh-effect/824189/55 "2018-11-08T20:38:46Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > ??? I didn’t say this. They used to be terrible on this issue. They’ve improved greatly in the last year or two due to embracing the #MeToo movement. Right so it is convenient for them now. It wasn’t when Clinton was president. > [@](#): > > They are, and I fully expect the House judiciary committee to investigate the allegations against Kavanaugh next year. I fully expect that you will be disappointed. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kavanaugh-effect/824189/56 "2018-11-08T20:39:57Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Right so it is convenient for them now. It wasn’t when Clinton was president. They’re doing the right thing on this issue now. That’s good, no matter why they’re doing it. Progressives like me plan to make sure they keep doing the right thing. > [@](#): > > I fully expect that you will be disappointed. I couldn’t care less about your expectations. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kavanaugh-effect/824189/57 "2018-11-08T20:40:40Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > In the present, one party actually treats sexual assault allegations with seriousness, and the other party does not. In the present, one party is trying to purge abusers and assaulters, while the other welcomes and even celebrates them. The GOp even elected a Dead Pimp to office in NV. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kavanaugh-effect/824189/58 "2018-11-08T20:42:43Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’m unconvinced of this. And your certainty doesn’t help convince me. I’ve long lost hope of ever trying to convince you of anything that you do not already believe. I am presenting argument for people who might still have open minds about this. I’m not talking about whether Kavanaugh did anything. I’m asking whether the way the Democrats conducted themselves during the hearings riled up the Republicans. I’m also asking if you think it increased Democratic voter participation any higher than the level to which Trump had already brought it. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kavanaugh-effect/824189/59 "2018-11-08T20:44:45Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I don’t know. Neither do you. I have some idea and so do you. This election was a repudiation of trump. There was no need to stir up the base any more than they were already stirred up by Trump. All that was accomplished was stirring up the Republican base. > [@](#): > > Agreed. Luckily, I’m not advocating this. A full investigation, including calling all witnesses to testify, would not have provided any significant delay. There was no legitimate reason to rush this process, only political concerns. The concern was getting Kavanaugh confirmed. Republicans wanted him confirmed and Democrats didn’t. This was seen as a Democratic ploy to delay confirmation in the hopes that the election would flip the senate. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kavanaugh-effect/824189/60 "2018-11-08T20:45:31Z")
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