# The Killing -- new series on AMC **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 31, 2011, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-killing-new-series-on-amc/576691 "2011-03-31T22:16:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-killing-new-series-on-amc/576691/262 "2011-06-13T18:22:08Z")
> [@SykoSkotty](#): > > My thoughts : > > Richmond’s being hacked. Just like he’s being set up with the campaign car. No one in their right mind would use a car registered to their own campaign, that’s just crazy and makes zero sense. This is also why I think the only way Gwen did it is if she found out Richmond and Rosie were having an affair and she killed her out of jealousy and wanted to frame Richmond, with maybe some advice from her father. Remember the shoe company front for the escort service? That was Hacker Central, they still had messages from old message boards that he could access, and since we know that Tom the billionaire uses the escort service alot… > > As far as Gwen chasing Rosie through the woods - the one chasing her through the woods wasn’t necessarily her killer. I think it was a team effort (Gwen AND Jaime?) and whomever that was in the woods was simply the one delivering her to the eventual killer. Do we know how his wife died? Is it possible that the whole “what would it be like to drown” thing he’s asking the escort is just him being morbid about his wife’s death and not menacing. I suspect we’re going to learn that Richmond wasn’t having sex with the girls but using it as some therapy for his grief. ---
**Author:** ![SykoSkotty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c0e974/32.png) [@SykoSkotty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SykoSkotty)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-killing-new-series-on-amc/576691/263 "2011-06-13T19:05:01Z")
They haven’t openly said how she died but everyone is starting to suspect that she drowned. The questions I’ve come up with are : When Stan is talking to the therapist about his dream, they never revealed who the man was sitting at the dinner table…Belko? When Sarah visits Richmond, he’s celebrating with wine, but we see TWO wine glasses. Was Gwen on her way over? Or perhaps someone else? ---
**Author:** ![Tarwater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de0a6/32.png) [@Tarwater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tarwater)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-killing-new-series-on-amc/576691/264 "2011-06-13T21:29:48Z")
Goods news for fans of television where nothing of consequence happens, _The Killing_ has just been [picked up for a second season!](http://www.deadline.com/2011/06/amc-renews-the-killing-for-season-2/) ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-killing-new-series-on-amc/576691/265 "2011-06-14T03:01:53Z")
> [@Tarwater](#): > > Goods news for fans of television where nothing of consequence happens, _The Killing_ has just been [picked up for a second season!](http://www.deadline.com/2011/06/amc-renews-the-killing-for-season-2/) This is truly distressing. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-killing-new-series-on-amc/576691/266 "2011-06-14T06:19:33Z")
> [@Tarwater](#): > > Goods news for fans of television where nothing of consequence happens, _The Killing_ has just been [picked up for a second season!](http://www.deadline.com/2011/06/amc-renews-the-killing-for-season-2/) I’m done after next week. ---
**Author:** ![SykoSkotty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c0e974/32.png) [@SykoSkotty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SykoSkotty)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-killing-new-series-on-amc/576691/267 "2011-06-14T12:41:59Z")
I re-watched the last episode and now I’m even more sold on Tom as the killer, at least in some fashion. I know he’s involved. When Jamie goes to meet him at the party, Tom is upset that Richmond isn’t there and he says, “guys like me can do whatever we want and get away with it, and why? Because the Richmonds of the world will always be there to clean up after guys like me.” He also comments about giving Richmond $5 million, not because he can shoot a basket, but because he intends to collect on that favor. I think Tom was partying with Rosie and things got outta control - he had Richmond clean up his mess, and Richmond delegated that task to Jamie, with strict orders to keep if from Gwen. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-killing-new-series-on-amc/576691/268 "2011-06-14T15:12:13Z")
It’s obvious we’re supposed to think the billionaire is the killer at this point. Whether that is just another red herring or not will have to wait until the final episode on Sunday. ---
**Author:** ![Erdosain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/erdosain/32/7284_2.png) [@Erdosain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Erdosain)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-killing-new-series-on-amc/576691/269 "2011-06-14T15:51:30Z")
Well, it obviously CAN’T be Richmond, because they never would have revealed it in the penultimate episode. The billionaire seems too obvious now, too. It has to be the Senator or Gwen. The incompetence of the police work was again annoying. They can call up a deleted message on Beau Soleil but are incapable of finding out what Rosie did on the site and who she contacted? They can pull up Aleena’s real name and college major but can’t find ANYTHING that Rosie did on the site? Stupid. Also, did they ever resolve where Rosie was getting that money? Are we to assume the Councilman was giving it to her, but outside the parameters of the website? And if the Councilman was meeting Rosie regularly, surely there are less conspicuous places than an Indian casino, covered in surveillance cameras. The pace of this episode was great. If they’d only been able to do this for the length of the season, it would have been a great show. However, I get the feeling this is the writers’ idea of balls out crazy fast season finale pacing. Sad. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-killing-new-series-on-amc/576691/270 "2011-06-14T15:57:18Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > I can’t see Gwen as the killer. Is Rosie going to run terrified through the woods from a woman? I don’t think Gwen is the killer, either, but that’s just a guess, and not for this reason. I’m an adult male, and I’ll _certainly_ run frantically through the woods to evade a woman I believe intends to kill me. If she’s armed and I’m not, she could easily pull it off. ---
**Author:** ![Erdosain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/erdosain/32/7284_2.png) [@Erdosain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Erdosain)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-killing-new-series-on-amc/576691/271 "2011-06-14T23:26:09Z")
> [@Erdosain](#): > > Speaking of Jasper’s dad, we still have to have some resolution to his snub of Mitch’s sister at the wake. I guess this week we found out how Jasper’s dad and Mitch’s sister know each other. You know, if I was a prostitute and I ran into a former john at my niece’s wake, I probably would pretend I didn’t know him, and not hang around all expectantly for him to say something like, “Yo, how’s tricks? This chick is crazy, everybody! You should see what she did for those shoes. Sick!” Just another example of poor writing (or possibly direction) on this show. Also, and this may just be me, but the scene with the billionaire and the male campaign aide seemed kind of silly since the aide pings my gaydar. He just doesn’t seem the type to get tempted by women unless they are wearing a Councilman Richmond mask. ---
**Author:** ![rikc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c57346/32.png) [@rikc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rikc)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 9:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-killing-new-series-on-amc/576691/272 "2011-06-17T09:52:47Z")
As a big fan of _Rubicon_, I’m glad to see that its ‘successor’ is driving people crazy in a similar fashion 🙂 I’m honestly pretty prepared to be let down when we find out who the killer is this week, mostly because I really hate everyone in the election storyline. I don’t even necessarily dislike the storyline itself, I just really hate the cast. Gwen seems like she thinks she’s in a different show and Darren is like a caricature in a cast of (imo) pretty human characters. Still, I’m very much enjoying the show and pretty pumped for the finale. I’ve rewatched the series with my roommate over the past couple of weeks, and I think _The Killing_ had a bit more direction than people gave it credit for. If anything, the last few episodes have shown that the show knows how to capitalize on what its built up. I think the finale will continue that trend. ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-killing-new-series-on-amc/576691/273 "2011-06-17T20:53:22Z")
So, I don’t know if the original series went any further than a single series. For a second season I assume we get the same cops but everybody else is different? ---
**Author:** ![Erdosain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/erdosain/32/7284_2.png) [@Erdosain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Erdosain)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-killing-new-series-on-amc/576691/274 "2011-06-17T21:11:56Z")
> [@obfusciatrist](#): > > So, I don’t know if the original series went any further than a single series. > > For a second season I assume we get the same cops but everybody else is different? According to Wikipedia article about the Danish show, there have been two series and a third is in production. Americans are lazy, so they’ll probably just keep shooting from the Danish scripts. I wish I could watch the original Danish version and see just whose fault this whole thing is. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-killing-new-series-on-amc/576691/275 "2011-06-17T21:56:48Z")
> [@Erdosain](#): > > Also, did they ever resolve where Rosie was getting that money? Are we to assume the Councilman was giving it to her, but outside the parameters of the website? And if the Councilman was meeting Rosie regularly, surely there are less conspicuous places than an Indian casino, covered in surveillance cameras. She was a hooker. ---
**Author:** ![A.Gwilliam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ea5d25/32.png) [@A.Gwilliam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A.Gwilliam)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-killing-new-series-on-amc/576691/276 "2011-06-18T10:25:30Z")
> [@Erdosain](#): > > According to Wikipedia article about the Danish show, there have been two series and a third is in production. Americans are lazy, so they’ll probably just keep shooting from the Danish scripts. > > I wish I could watch the original Danish version and see just whose fault this whole thing is. Having seen the original, but not the remake, I can only go by what people here are saying about it, but the AMC version does now seem to have diverged quite a bit from the Danish in tone, its characterisation etc. of the two main detectives, the inter-relationship between other characters, and probably also the plot. Obviously some of those plot differences will be because the remake is considerably shorter than the original (20x 60 mins. with no ads). The original second series only features two characters from the first. In my view the Danish original is either over-long or the second half was put together too hastily because the last 10 episodes were brought forward so as not to leave the originally intended six-month gap in the middle of its transmission run. As a result there was a run of episodes which descended into false-suspect-of-the-week, and the sorts of cliche that had previously been avoided started to seep in. How many episodes are left to run on AMC? ---
**Author:** ![Erdosain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/erdosain/32/7284_2.png) [@Erdosain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Erdosain)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-killing-new-series-on-amc/576691/277 "2011-06-18T12:12:55Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > She was a hooker. But if she was a hooker, why didn’t she have a profile on the Beau Soleil website? I mean, it seems like she was getting money from Richmond or someone, but she doesn’t appear to have been a formal Beau Soleil prostitute. > [@A.Gwilliam](#): > > Having seen the original, but not the remake, I can only go by what people here are saying about it, but the AMC version does now seem to have diverged quite a bit from the Danish in tone, its characterisation etc. of the two main detectives, the inter-relationship between other characters, and probably also the plot. Obviously some of those plot differences will be because the remake is considerably shorter than the original (20x 60 mins. with no ads). > > The original second series only features two characters from the first. > > In my view the Danish original is either over-long or the second half was put together too hastily because the last 10 episodes were brought forward so as not to leave the originally intended six-month gap in the middle of its transmission run. As a result there was a run of episodes which descended into false-suspect-of-the-week, and the sorts of cliche that had previously been avoided started to seep in. > > How many episodes are left to run on AMC? There’s just one episode left, so we’ll be done with our complaining by this time on Monday. This has got to be a record–a show where the American version is seven episodes shorter than the original. And thank God for that, I shudder to think of these writers stretching this story to fill seven more episodes. Anyway, from your description, it sounds like the Danish version had its problems, too. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-killing-new-series-on-amc/576691/278 "2011-06-20T03:14:04Z")
And the killer is… ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-killing-new-series-on-amc/576691/279 "2011-06-20T03:16:00Z")
I frankly did not expect the show’s producers to be such big assholes. Two fingers way up for this show. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-killing-new-series-on-amc/576691/280 "2011-06-20T03:19:48Z")
Motherfuckers. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-killing-new-series-on-amc/576691/281 "2011-06-20T03:35:37Z")
[Sepinwall isn’t happy either.](http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/the-killing-orpheus-descending-reviewing-the-season-finale) I watched the first 10 minutes or so. When Linden and Holder started checking records that should have been checked long before, I bailed. I won’t be back next year. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-killing-new-series-on-amc/576691.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-killing-new-series-on-amc/576691.md?page=15)