# The Kitty Report

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kitty-report/947747>\
**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\
**Created:** [August 1, 2021, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kitty-report/947747 "2021-08-01T03:21:56Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2022, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kitty-report/947747/81 "2022-08-28T19:49:12Z")

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More AWWWW!

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**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2022, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kitty-report/947747/82 "2022-08-28T20:50:07Z")

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Kliban cat!

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**Author:** ![carnut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnut/32/3531_2.png) [@carnut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnut)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2022, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kitty-report/947747/83 "2022-08-28T22:07:32Z")

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> [@chela](#):
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> West Michigan location. Any takers?

Do a TNR. Trap the stray, get him fixed, release him elsewhere.

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**Author:** ![carnut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnut/32/3531_2.png) [@carnut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnut)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2022, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kitty-report/947747/84 "2022-08-28T22:07:56Z")

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So cuddly looking!

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**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2022, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kitty-report/947747/85 "2022-08-28T22:53:54Z")

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She is. She loves to come into the bathroom and get belly rubs from her captive dad.

But she doesn’t particularly like being held, and isn’t a lap cat. Goo barely tolerates being picked up. She just likes to sit nearby and get face/chin/neck scritches.

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**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2022, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kitty-report/947747/86 "2022-08-28T23:12:28Z")

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Yeah we have three rescues, none like being picked up for more than a minute, and none are lap cats, altho all are affectionate.

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**Author:** ![carnut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnut/32/3531_2.png) [@carnut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnut)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2022, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kitty-report/947747/87 "2022-08-28T23:13:44Z")

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Sounds like my cats. Lon is afraid of laps, and Mercedes has learned not to like them because they usually mean I’m about to attach her nether regions to trim out snarls and poo knots. Mind you, Lon is a loving guy who lives for pets, but at 17 lbs, I’m kinda glad he doesn’t want to sit on me.

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**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kitty-report/947747/88 "2022-08-29T01:26:27Z")

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> [@chela](#):
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> Yesterday an unfamiliar kitten almost grown was hanging around. Not skinny or ragged looked healthy. Also Looks to be unaltered with a small scratch on his head. Yowly, quite handsome with blue gray and white stripes and somewhat friendly but aggressive towards my cats who were a bit freaked by it. It kept chasing/attacking my fixed female.

What you have there is a wandering young tomcat, who’s probably been kicked out of wherever he was previously living by a full grown tom. This is normal cat colony behavior; the adolescent toms get thrown out by the resident tom. If they manage to live long enough and get strong enough, they’ll eventually find an aging tom who they can in their turn drive out of a colony and take over. For a while.

Toms don’t IME usually seem to be able to tell the difference between a spayed female cat and one who’s just not in heat at the moment but maybe will come into heat shortly; though I’ve seen some evidence that at least one Wandering Tom could tell that an old cat isn’t suitable to try to mate with. (He showed considerable interest in a four-year-old spayed cat, but not in a seventeen-year-old.)

The attempt to attack your legs may have been an attempt to play, or may have been frustration at being pushed away.

Getting the young cat neutered will almost certainly take care of the aggressive behavior; or at least reduce it to the point at which it’s tolerable. So if you get him neutered he might fit in with your current crew after all; but maybe you feel that your household is full up. (Mine certainly is, with four, including two now ex-Wandering ex-Toms who showed up two years ago and this spring. Plus which I’m not near Michigan. Good luck!)

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**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kitty-report/947747/89 "2022-08-29T02:02:49Z")

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> [@Johnny\_L.A](#):
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> Abbey.

Aww, she’s a pretty girl. Love it that she has her own shelf.

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**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kitty-report/947747/90 "2022-08-29T02:08:59Z")

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Impressive set of chompers there. I like the cat shelf, too.

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**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kitty-report/947747/91 "2022-08-29T02:31:43Z")

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> [@BippityBoppityBoo](#):
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> Love it that she has her own shelf.

> [@Morgyn](#):
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> I like the cat shelf, too.

Actually, there are two shelves. Usually only the top one is occupied, but it doesn’t ‘belong’ to either cat.

[[Album] Goo and Abbey ![](https://i.imgur.com/jN9Una0.jpeg?fb "Goo and Abbey") ](https://imgur.com/a/TDRlU0U)

> [@Morgyn](#):
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> Impressive set of chompers there.

Our late [Tonka](https://imgur.com/a/c6EhW9H) had nice fangs, but he lost one when he was out one day. Can’t find a picture of them.

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**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kitty-report/947747/92 "2022-08-29T10:49:30Z")

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> [@carnut](#):
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> Do a TNR. Trap the stray, get him fixed, release him elsewhere.

There’s a no kill “shelter” in the county who advises to do the above except always release where found.

> [@thorny\_locust](#):
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> The attempt to attack your legs may have been an attempt to play, or may have been frustration at being pushed away.

Yep I think it was play then to kill lol. I cannot take another cat. I heard some Rowling last night while Toby was outside. I think it was him expressing annoyance at the young buck. So far I’m inclined to do nothing unless things worsen.

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**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kitty-report/947747/93 "2022-08-29T12:46:38Z")

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> [@chela](#):
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> There’s a no kill “shelter” in the county who advises to do the above except always release where found.

Maybe they have or know of a program to help with the neutering?

It would be a mitzvah to get him neutered and vaccinated, even if that’s all you can do for him. And it would be very likely to reduce the fighting. But it’s possible that’s just not in your budget.

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**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kitty-report/947747/94 "2022-08-29T13:41:26Z")

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> [@chela](#):
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> release where found.

Yes, the SOP/practice AFAIK is to release the cats where they were found.

> [@thorny\_locust](#):
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> Maybe they have or know of a program to help with the neutering?

Since you brought it up, I looked up our local place ([WeSNIP](https://wesnip.org)). They’ve closed. ☹

Our cats came from [The NOAH Center](https://thenoahcenter.org), which offers low-cost spay and neuter surgeries for low-income people. There may be a similar place near chela.

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**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kitty-report/947747/95 "2022-08-29T13:52:51Z")

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> [@Johnny\_L.A](#):
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> the SOP/practice AFAIK is to release the cats where they were found.

Their chances of survival are a lot better, as they’re likely to be aware of the hazards and resources of the place they’ve been living but not of those of a new area.

Additionally, cats form social networks and friendships with each other, and moving cats around disrupts those networks and upsets the cats.

The particular cat under discussion has only recently shown up in a new place and is apparently having trouble with his networking there; but dumping him somewhere random still seems like a bad idea. It’s possible that returning him to his original location after neutering would work; but it’s also possible that it wouldn’t, depending on the degree of aggressiveness of the resident tom there; and he’d have to be held first for a couple of weeks after the surgery as testosterone levels take some time to drop. Plus which, it’s possible I’m wrong about the reason and he was evicted by a human who doesn’t care whether he’s neutered. Plus which, I don’t think @chela knows where the cat came from.

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**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kitty-report/947747/96 "2022-08-29T21:01:22Z")

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I have a feeling kitty is from a house in the neighborhood, 🤞

[https://i.ibb.co/1M529gt/821-F6409-2124-4-F14-A2-A6-9-AF24-A5850-BC.jpg](https://i.ibb.co/1M529gt/821-F6409-2124-4-F14-A2-A6-9-AF24-A5850-BC.jpg)

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**Author:** ![carnut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnut/32/3531_2.png) [@carnut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnut)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kitty-report/947747/97 "2022-08-29T22:34:22Z")

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> [@Johnny\_L.A](#):
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> Yes, the SOP/practice AFAIK is to release the cats where they were found.

Yes, but clearly the cat is not wanted where it was found. I had a friend who would rescue dumped cats who were (and still are) dumped by the side of road at his tiny community. He would trap, spay/neuter, and then release them onto nearby farm property. They could eat well in the wild but winters in northern MN are tough going so he wanted them to find a barn for shelter. Was he doing the right thing? I think so. He lived in a mobile home and couldn’t handle all the kitties himself.

@chela, you could TNR him at home and keep your fingers crossed that the neighbors will be grateful. Certainly, his fight urge will relax away after neutering.

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**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kitty-report/947747/98 "2022-08-29T22:49:55Z")

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This one will dope the rope with the sweetie dog,

Perfect fit for big- dawg home.

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**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kitty-report/947747/99 "2022-08-29T23:21:02Z")

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> [@chela](#):
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> I have a feeling kitty is from a house in the neighborhood

It’s possible he wasn’t dumped or chased out, but left on his own in search of females in heat. It would be worth checking around those houses in case.

– wherever he came from, it was a place with dogs.

And that is a very pretty cat! – doesn’t look all that scruffy, either. If you think he lives in the neighborhood, are you sure he’s not going home from time to time to chow down? Somebody might well miss him if he disappears altogether.

> [@carnut](#):
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> He would trap, spay/neuter, and then release them onto nearby farm property. They could eat well in the wild but winters in northern MN are tough going so he wanted them to find a barn for shelter. Was he doing the right thing? I think so.

Most farm barns are already overflowing with cats. My latest was evicted from his previous farm barn by a tougher older tom; but the humans there, when I got him identified, said they had way too many cats and they didn’t want him back either.

The chances that cats dumped at a random farm survived their first winter are pretty poor. The chances that they got taken in at one of those barns, if your friend didn’t check with the farmers first and succeed in finding one of the rare barns not already full at the moment, are even poorer.

If your friend can handle the trap/spay/neuter part, he might try offering those services to the neighborhood farmers. That might be where those kittens got dumped from in the first place.

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**Author:** ![carnut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnut/32/3531_2.png) [@carnut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnut)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-kitty-report/947747/100 "2022-08-30T00:16:52Z")

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> [@thorny\_locust](#):
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> If your friend can handle the trap/spay/neuter part, he might try offering those services to the neighborhood farmers.

He could barely handle that but he thought it was the responsible thing to do (he was correct). He was a good guy, but always strapped for cash and steady income. That’s not unusual in tiny communities. Sadly, my friend has passed away. And just so you know, my cats came from him.

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