# The lack of Trump craziness this week is disturbing **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 18, 2016, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lack-of-trump-craziness-this-week-is-disturbing/763206 "2016-08-18T20:25:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lack-of-trump-craziness-this-week-is-disturbing/763206/81 "2016-09-17T12:41:12Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Obama was born in Hawaii. That’s not exotic. You left out that he had a father who was not a citizen of the U.S., but Kenya. You left out that he spend part of his childhood in Indonesia. And yes, his skin color and name did add to his exoticness. After all, he was the first Black President, and the first one to have a name that we associate with the Middle East and Islam. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lack-of-trump-craziness-this-week-is-disturbing/763206/82 "2016-09-17T12:42:56Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > You left out that he had a father who was not a citizen of the U.S., but Kenya. You left out that he spend part of his childhood in Indonesia. And yes, his skin color and name did add to his exoticness. After all, he was the first Black President, and the first one to have a name that we associate with the Middle East and Islam. He released all the information he had in 2008, which was more than enough for anyone to accept his birthplace. There was not a shred of reason to believe he was born anywhere else after the 2008 information release. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lack-of-trump-craziness-this-week-is-disturbing/763206/83 "2016-09-17T13:07:29Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > What’s the big deal? Seriously? You don’t see a problem with trying to undercut a democratically-elected President’s authority by creating doubt about his legitimacy to hold the office? Or about creating doubt about his election itself, since a black man with a funny name can’t really be an American? > [@](#): > > Trump, as far as I’ve heard today, did state that Obama was born here. So, why is this still a problem? He has still not said why he kept up the lie for so long. You don’t see a problem there? > [@](#): > > Why is it racism? As I said, it seems to me that it has to do with the fact that he had a more exotic childhood than most. No? “Childhood”, no. Color and name, yes. The issue isn’t why the question was asked, since, as you note, the facts were cleared up immediately. The issue is why one party’s adherents have kept up their delegitimization campaign anyway. You might try to address that one more squarely. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lack-of-trump-craziness-this-week-is-disturbing/763206/84 "2016-09-17T13:20:17Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > You left out that he had a father who was not a citizen of the U.S., but Kenya. You left out that he spend part of his childhood in Indonesia. And yes, his skin color and name did add to his exoticness. After all, he was the first Black President, and the first one to have a name that we associate with the Middle East and Islam. Having a father born in another country is not disqualifying and not even suspicious. The media had vetted him by the time started tossing this issue around, and did so even after he did – this was all a publicity stunt by Trump. We can debate the motives behind it, but given his campaign in 2016, it seems rather obvious that he was testing the waters to see just what percentage of the media would turn this into a headline-grabbing story – a lot apparently. And he also did it to see what kind of following he could get – a large one as it turns out. In the same vein, being “exotic” is not disqualifying or suspicious, particularly given the fact that millions of people voted to make him the leader of this country with eyes wide open. Thus, the only real conclusion we can draw from this is that Trump was motivated to make racialism a political issue – he did it as a non-candidate in 2011-12, and he has done this repeatedly as a candidate in 2015-2016. Moreover, he had four years in between his first real foray into presidential politics and his candidacy to walk back the issue and tell everyone he was satisfied with Obama’s birth certificate. He didn’t. For once the media actually did their job and called him out on it. Unfortunately, the timing kinda sucks for Donald, but that’s on him for putting this off and assuming it would go away. I don’t think this issue will be the end of Trump’s chances, but it absolutely does blunt his momentum at a time when he was about to pull ahead and claim a lead in the race. Yet once again, here we are debating whether or not he has the character and temperamental fitness to be president. Moreover, given his history of binge meltdowns, there might be more quotable face-palms yet to come. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lack-of-trump-craziness-this-week-is-disturbing/763206/85 "2016-09-17T13:28:29Z")
What do you mean by “exotic”, **magellan01**? Is that a synonym for something deplorable? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lack-of-trump-craziness-this-week-is-disturbing/763206/86 "2016-09-17T14:09:07Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > You left out that he had a father who was not a citizen of the U.S., but Kenya. You left out that he spend part of his childhood in Indonesia. And yes, his skin color and name did add to his exoticness. After all, he was the first Black President, and the first one to have a name that we associate with the Middle East and Islam. Among the people I know, _we_ do not associate either his skin color with the word “exotic” or his name with the religion of Islam. Is my group of “we” that much different from the norm? ---
**Author:** ![rowe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@rowe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rowe)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lack-of-trump-craziness-this-week-is-disturbing/763206/87 "2016-09-17T14:19:39Z")
It’s amazing the hoops that people are willing to jump through to justify their vote for such an obviously racist xenophobic clown. Exotic? Wow… ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lack-of-trump-craziness-this-week-is-disturbing/763206/88 "2016-09-17T14:32:53Z")
Orange-haired millionaire reality show host? Now, _that’s_ exotic. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lack-of-trump-craziness-this-week-is-disturbing/763206/89 "2016-09-17T14:33:35Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Is my group of “we” that much different from the norm? Yes - you’re not \*real \*Americans. I said earlier that the issue was about why Trump kept up the lie, but I’ll withdraw that - it’s obvious why; he’s been pandering to the deplorable half of his base and keeping his face on TV, as is his typical behavior. It’s of marginal interest why he decided to stop it now, or if that was an actual decision and not just another disorganization snafu he’s trying to bluster through. No, on further thought, I think the immediate issue is why so many people have chosen to believe such a foolish lie for so long. A broader issue might be why so many people who should, or do, know better have continued to allow it to be raised as a subject about which it is valid to “just ask questions”. **magellan01** , as an example of the latter, perhaps you could enlighten us? ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lack-of-trump-craziness-this-week-is-disturbing/763206/90 "2016-09-17T15:08:22Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > You left out that he had a father who was not a citizen of the U.S., but Kenya. Meaning black. Racist. > [@](#): > > You left out that he spend part of his childhood in Indonesia. Meaning Muslim. Racist. > [@](#): > > And yes, his skin color and name did add to his exoticness. Exotic. Meaning Racist. > [@](#): > > After all, he was the first Black President, and the first one to have a name that we associate with the Middle East and Islam. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Why are you continuing this? Are you admitting that the entire Republican Party/conservative movement/presidential candidates/talk show hosts are, have been, and always will be racists? Once you admit that what moral standing do you have remaining to attack anyone for anything? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lack-of-trump-craziness-this-week-is-disturbing/763206/91 "2016-09-17T15:10:03Z")
The desperate media is really grasping at straws now. Have they never heard of a rhetorical question? Oh my goodness, Trump said this. > [@](#): > > “I think her bodyguards should drop all weapons. Disarm immediately,” Trump said. " > > Trump: Take guns from Clinton security, see what happens > > Clinton: Trump runs ‘deplorable campaign’ > > CNN/ORC polls: Trump leads Clinton in Florida, Ohio > > Poll: Trump holds narrow lead over Clinton in Ohio > > Trump: Clinton looks down on voters > > Clinton: Half of Trump supporters ‘deplorables’ > > Clinton: Trump is temperamentally unfit to be president > > Clinton: Evidence that Trump is a gift for ISIS > > Trump praises Putin during forum > > Clinton on emails: I did what I should have done > > Hillary Clinton’s emails with Colin Powell released > > Trump tax debate gets testy > > Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton prepare to debate > > Poll: Clinton’s lead narrowing > > Clinton: One visit doesn’t make up year of insults > > Conway deflects question on Trump bigot comment > > Donald Trump: Hillary Clinton is a ‘bigot’ > > Hillary Clinton’s health: An unhealthy obsession? > > See Hillary Clinton laugh off health questions > > Giuliani pushes Clinton health rumors > > Clinton faces big challenges in state Obama won twice > > Clinton responds to Trump calling her a ‘bigot’ > > See woman react to Trump calling Clinton a ‘bigot’ > > Poll: Clinton up by seven points in Michigan > > Did Trump just change his immigration plan? > > Clinton’s top aide at center of email controversy > > How healthy is Donald Trump? > > Road to 270: CNN’s latest electoral college map > > How Clinton and Trump supporters see the world differently > > Trump softens tone, visits Baton Rouge flood victims > > Clinton Foundation to change policy if she wins > > Trump: Clinton agenda hurts the poor the most > > Trump’s gap with the college-educated white voters > > Trump’s wild ride to take over the GOP > > Clinton and Kaine target Trump’s base on bus tour > > The key post-convention battleground states > > Both Clinton and Trump have a favorability problem > > Trump vs. Clinton: Russia’s view > > Trump vs. Trump > > Donald Trump’s big night in 90 seconds > > Key moments in Hillary Clinton’s acceptance speech > > Democratic delegates on the Clinton and Trump messages > > Round 1: Trump vs. Clinton > > Trump: Take guns from Clinton security, see what happens > > Clinton: Trump runs ‘deplorable campaign’ > > CNN/ORC polls: Trump leads Clinton in Florida, Ohio > > Poll: Trump holds narrow lead over Clinton in Ohio > > Trump: Clinton looks down on voters > > Clinton: Half of Trump supporters ‘deplorables’ > > Clinton: Trump is temperamentally unfit to be president > > Clinton: Evidence that Trump is a gift for ISIS > > Trump praises Putin during forum > > Clinton on emails: I did what I should have done > > Hillary Clinton’s emails with Colin Powell released > > Trump tax debate gets testy > > Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton prepare to debate > > Poll: Clinton’s lead narrowing > > Clinton: One visit doesn’t make up year of insults > > Conway deflects question on Trump bigot comment > > Donald Trump: Hillary Clinton is a ‘bigot’ > > Hillary Clinton’s health: An unhealthy obsession? > > See Hillary Clinton laugh off health questions > > Giuliani pushes Clinton health rumors > > Clinton faces big challenges in state Obama won twice > > Clinton responds to Trump calling her a ‘bigot’ > > Story highlights > > “Take their guns away, let’s see what happens to her,” Trump saidIt’s not the first time he has called for Clinton’s Secret Service detail to “disarm” > > Miami (CNN)Donald Trump on Friday wondered aloud what would happen to Hillary Clinton should her Secret Service detail disarm. > > “I think her bodyguards should drop all weapons. Disarm immediately,” Trump said. “Take their guns away, let’s see what happens to her.” > > “Take their guns away, OK? It’ll be very dangerous,” he added. > **[Trump on Clinton guards: Take their guns away | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/16/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-guns-secret-service/index.html)** > > Donald Trump on Friday wondered aloud what would happen to Hillary Clinton should her Secret Service detail disarm. The press is actually playing this like a threat to Clinton. As if there’s any chance the Secret Service will ever disarm. > **[Trump on Clinton guards: Take their guns away | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/16/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-guns-secret-service/index.html)** > > Donald Trump on Friday wondered aloud what would happen to Hillary Clinton should her Secret Service detail disarm. Even BBC News has run with this bullshit story. Portraying Trump’s statement as a call for action. WTH? It’s a rhetorical question dammit. > **[US election: Clinton security should be disarmed, says Trump](https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37394883)** > > Republican candidate Donald Trump is accused again of hinting at an assassination of his Democrat rival Hillary Clinton. It’s a rhetorical statement. Gun hater Hillary is protected by people with guns. Trump is protected by similar Secret Service agents. Everybody in the US depends on armed police to keep us safe. There’s no threat here. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lack-of-trump-craziness-this-week-is-disturbing/763206/92 "2016-09-17T15:13:29Z")
WTF is with that ridiculously long list of headlines? ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lack-of-trump-craziness-this-week-is-disturbing/763206/93 "2016-09-17T15:18:18Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Obama was born in Hawaii. That’s not exotic. It’s also all that matters. Period. Totally different from McCain. Everybody honest and intelligent in every party and of every political persuasion knew this every minute of the time. > > The people who were not honest or intelligent were told the results after the honest and intelligent people checked them out. That should have stopped any further comment after five minutes. Trump kept it up for five years. > > Is racism the sole answer as to why? No. There are dozens of other deplorable, unpalatable, slimy, dirty, disgusting, and souldraining reasons, all of which can properly be applied in addition. _In addition_. Racism still makes a very big percentage of the whole. > > As has been said over and over for eight years, so it can’t be a surprise. You want exotic? I was born in Alaska! The horror! ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lack-of-trump-craziness-this-week-is-disturbing/763206/94 "2016-09-17T15:18:36Z")
This stinking phone selected too much text. I frantically deleted as much as I could in the 5 min edit window. I could have cleaned it up in seconds on a pc. These phones suck. I couldn’t select a big block to delete on this stinking phone. I could only delete a few lines at a time. I have no idea how this phone grabbed so much text off CNN. I had six lines of text highlighted to copy. Sorry for that. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lack-of-trump-craziness-this-week-is-disturbing/763206/95 "2016-09-17T15:24:56Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > You want exotic? I was born in Alaska! The horror! Hmm - not really American? Maybe Canadian or Russian - both can be seen from there 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lack-of-trump-craziness-this-week-is-disturbing/763206/96 "2016-09-17T16:39:05Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > Hmm - not really American? Maybe Canadian or Russian - both can be seen from there 😃 Even worse, when I was born _it was still a territory!_ It may have even still been connected to the Russian mainland. Nobody knows. Sad. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lack-of-trump-craziness-this-week-is-disturbing/763206/97 "2016-09-17T18:42:36Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Even worse, when I was born _it was still a territory!_ It may have even still been connected to the Russian mainland. Nobody knows. Sad. My god. If your parents walked over the land bridge from Siberia you are an anchor baby! ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lack-of-trump-craziness-this-week-is-disturbing/763206/98 "2016-09-17T19:05:33Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > My god. If your parents walked over the land bridge from Siberia you are an anchor baby! What if he was born in Anchorage!!! ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lack-of-trump-craziness-this-week-is-disturbing/763206/99 "2016-09-17T21:04:49Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Meaning black. Racist. No, Kenyan. Meaning from Kenya. Really, you could look it up. > [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Meaning Muslim. Racist. No, Muslim. Meaning someone how practices Islam. Really, you could look it up. > [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Exotic. Meaning Racist. No, exotic. Meaning something perceived as out of the ordinary, unusual, foreign. Really, you could look it up. And if you don’t think that a U.S. President with the name Barack Hussein Obama is unusual and sounds foreign to the American ear, you need to get out more. > [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Racist. Racist. Racist. Seems like one of us is fixated on racism, even when it’s not there. Guess which of us that would be? > [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Why are you continuing this? Are you admitting that the entire Republican Party/conservative movement/presidential candidates/talk show hosts are, have been, and always will be racists? Once you admit that what moral standing do you have remaining to attack anyone for anything? Can you translate this into normal? ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2016, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lack-of-trump-craziness-this-week-is-disturbing/763206/100 "2016-09-17T21:12:38Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Can you translate this into normal? Sure. Exotic is a code word for nigger. That’s not my normal, to be sure. But it is the normal of anyone with the birther mentality. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lack-of-trump-craziness-this-week-is-disturbing/763206.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lack-of-trump-craziness-this-week-is-disturbing/763206.md?page=6)