# The lance strongarm transgender bathroom and poly marriage extravaganza thread! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 5, 2016, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lance-strongarm-transgender-bathroom-and-poly-marriage-extravaganza-thread/751244 "2016-04-05T11:31:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 581
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2016, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lance-strongarm-transgender-bathroom-and-poly-marriage-extravaganza-thread/751244/581 "2016-06-02T17:18:06Z")
> [@The Right Wing Paranoids Are Right Again](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/456): > > Exactly. I won’t get an answer. The best I get is that we’ll just rely on everyone to voluntarily use the restroom they want, which is fine, but that completely breaks down as soon as one person chooses the opposite. If you are a woman who prefers a bathroom without men in it and just one man uses it, he ruined it for you. You no longer have such a room. And since the man might actually be a cisgender woman who simply choose to look and dress like a traditional idea of a man (she may be a lesbian, or maybe not), and you can’t tell her from a male, then there’s no point anyway. You keep saying something like “it completely breaks down”, but \*this has always been possible \*. It doesn’t “break down” when someone uses the “wrong” bathroom – people go on with their lives. Maybe there’s a minor stir or maybe nothing happens, but the system doesn’t break down at all. It breaks down if _most people aren’t sticking to it_. If .001% of people don’t stick to it, that’s not breaking it down at all. Until you present evidence that more than a miniscule fraction of people aren’t going to be sticking to the system as expected, then it doesn’t break down at all. This possibility has always existed, and some people have always been deceptive. But very few, and I see no reason to believe that this would increase significantly in the future. > [@](#): > > All I want is for people to stop pretending that this is the end of it, and to stop acting like asking these questions is somehow damaging to the cause. I’m ready to move beyond supporting just transgender people. I wonder if others are ready. Who has said “this is the end of it”? No, asking these questions is not “damaging to the cause”, but these questions have been answered, many times, and you just don’t like the answers. > [@](#): > > That’s why I asked that question. I can’t say it would occur in real life though. However, there are people who say they are genderfluid - their gender changes back and forth - and others who say they are non-binary and have no gender, or both. Those are real people. They have rights too. How we could fit them into the current “men and women, one or the other” system is a tough question. It’s not that tough a question for me – use whatever bathroom is more comfortable. If you behave lewdly, then expect consequences. The vast majority of people will not be lewd, and will use the bathroom that matches their identity, and the system will work fine, even if some small number of people defy the system (just like small numbers have in the past), or present an unconventional appearance (just like small numbers in the past). All you’re talking about is outliers, and outliers have always existed, and the system has functioned just fine despite their existence. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lance-strongarm-transgender-bathroom-and-poly-marriage-extravaganza-thread/751244)._