# The Largest Population of \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ outside \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [July 20, 2006, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291 "2006-07-20T04:17:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Rodgers01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b19c9b/32.png) [@Rodgers01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rodgers01)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291/1 "2006-07-20T04:17:00Z")
Does anyone know where to find a list of the largest populations of, for example, Chinese outside of China, or Poles outside of Poland, and where they are located? What country houses the largest number of such exile/immigrant groups? ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291/2 "2006-07-20T04:24:35Z")
The only example I know offhand is Cleveland, Ohio: Largest Slovenian population outside Ljubljana. Or so it used to be, don’t know lately. ---
**Author:** ![zoogirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b9bd4f/32.png) [@zoogirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoogirl)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291/3 "2006-07-20T04:30:44Z")
Vancouver, or more accurately Richmond is at least in the running for the Chinese population. I believe Asian actually passed Caucasian the last time anyone did a survey of the area. I know most of the schools I’m in have a larger Asian population. ---
**Author:** ![Eva\_Luna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e495f1/32.png) [@Eva\_Luna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eva_Luna)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291/4 "2006-07-20T04:38:05Z")
Chicago supposedly has the largest number of Poles outside Warsaw, even more than in any other major city in Poland. No idea where that figure comes from, but Chicagoans say it all the time. It’s not at all unusual to hear Polish spoken on the street here, or written on signs or government forms, even outside the major Polish neighborhoods. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291/5 "2006-07-20T04:54:27Z")
As mentioned in another thread, Melbourne, Australia, is the second largest Greek city after Athens. ---
**Author:** ![Rodgers01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b19c9b/32.png) [@Rodgers01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rodgers01)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291/6 "2006-07-20T05:05:00Z")
[QUOTE=Johanna] The only example I know offhand is Cleveland, Ohio: Largest Slovenian population outside Ljubljana. Or so it used to be, don’t know lately. [/QUOTE] Now _that_ is an interesting one I never would have expected. Although on a guess I’d suspect that the honor probably now goes to Italy or some other nearby country since Slovenia joined the EU. Anyone know where the largest group of Americans outside the US is? My guess would probably be somewhere in the UK, or possibly some large retirement community in Mexico or the Caribbean, but I don’t know for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Baffle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/dec6dc/32.png) [@Baffle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baffle)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291/7 "2006-07-20T05:11:58Z")
It’s my understanding that there are more kiwis tending bars in London than actually living in New Zealand. ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291/8 "2006-07-20T05:25:04Z")
Auckland has the world’s largest Polynesian Community- there are more Niueans living in Auckland than there are in all of Niue, there are more Samoans in Auckland than there are in Apia, more Tongans than in Nuku’alofa, and more Tokelauans than in all of Tokelau. ---
**Author:** ![Jayrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Jayrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jayrot)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291/9 "2006-07-20T05:30:23Z")
Wikipedia can be useful for these kinds of things. For example, here’s a chart of Chinese populations under the article “overseas Chinese”. > **[Overseas Chinese](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Chinese#Statistics)** > > Overseas Chinese (simplified Chinese: 海外华人 / 海外中国人; traditional Chinese: 海外華人 / 海外中國人; pinyin: Hǎiwài Huárén / Hǎiwài Zhōngguórén) refers to people of Chinese birth or ethnicity who reside outside Mainland China, Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan. As of 2011, there were over 40.3 million overseas Chinese. > Huáqiáo (simplified Chinese: 华侨; traditional Chinese: 華僑) or Hoan-kheh (Chinese: 番客; Pe̍h-ōe-jī: Hoan-kheh) in Hokkien, refers to people of Chinese citizenship residing outside of either the PRC o... ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291/10 "2006-07-20T06:03:07Z")
> [@](#): > > Anyone know where the largest group of Americans outside the US is? My guess would probably be somewhere in the UK, or possibly some large retirement community in Mexico or the Caribbean, but I don’t know for sure. More likely it’s an overseas military base. As recently as 18 months ago, there will still 222,331 Americans (military, civilians, and dependants) living in Germany. ---
**Author:** ![Rodgers01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b19c9b/32.png) [@Rodgers01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rodgers01)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291/11 "2006-07-20T06:08:12Z")
[QUOTE=Little Nemo] More likely it’s an overseas military base. As recently as 18 months ago, there will still 222,331 Americans (military, civilians, and dependants) living in Germany. [/QUOTE] :smack: I should have thought of that because for quite a few years I _was_ one of those Americans (the numbers of which are, I’m sure, shrinking by the day). Though actually it doesn’t quite fit what I had in mind – I was thinking mostly of immigrant/exile groups. ---
**Author:** ![crazyjoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f14d63/32.png) [@crazyjoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crazyjoe)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291/12 "2006-07-20T08:25:06Z")
I beleive the largestpopulation of middle-easterners outside of, um, the middle-east is located in Dearborn, Michigan. ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291/13 "2006-07-20T13:27:22Z")
Montreal is the largest French-speaking cuty outside France. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291/14 "2006-07-20T14:22:14Z")
New York City has the largest Jewish population outside Israel, Miami the largest Cuban one outside Cuba, and Los Angeles the largest Mexican one outside Mexico. (I’d say “everyone knows,” but everyone knows.) LA also has the largest Iranian population outside Teheran, the largest Korean population outside Seoul, and the largest Filipino population outside Manila. [[cite]](http://www.laalmanac.com/did_you_know_archive.htm) Berlin has the largest Turkish population outside Turkey. Besides Poles, Chicago has the largest Lithuanian population outside Lithuania. Glendale, CA, has the largest Armenian population outside Armenia. Boise, ID, has the largest Basque population outside the Pyrenees. (Most came over as sheepherders.) And I am willing to bet my left oyster that none of you knew that Des Moines, IA, has the largest Sudanese population outside Africa (916 as of 2001). ---
**Author:** ![Blanche](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Blanche](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blanche)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291/15 "2006-07-20T14:35:00Z")
[QUOTE=Beware of Doug] And I am willing to bet my left oyster that none of you knew that Des Moines, IA, has the largest Sudanese population outside Africa (916 as of 2001). [/QUOTE] That one surprises me. I would have guessed that there are more than a thousand Sudanese in Dallas…there are a lot of church groups that have been importing refugees from there. ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291/16 "2006-07-20T14:35:02Z")
My guesses: The largest number of Australians outside Australia are in London The largest number of New Zealanders outside New Zealand are in Sydney The largest number of American outside the US are in Toronto (Of course, I could be wrong on all of these) ---
**Author:** ![Rodgers01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b19c9b/32.png) [@Rodgers01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rodgers01)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291/17 "2006-07-20T14:59:00Z")
[QUOTE=Sunspace] Montreal is the largest French-speaking cuty outside France. 🙂 [/QUOTE] Actually, apparently it’s now the third – second place goes to Kinshasa. (It _may_ be the second in the number of native French speakers as opposed to second-language speakers; apparently it’s in dispute.) ---
**Author:** ![Wallenstein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b5a626/32.png) [@Wallenstein](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wallenstein)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291/18 "2006-07-20T15:12:22Z")
Are there any examples of a situation where a city’s expat population exceeds the home nation’s capital city? ie. more greeks in sydney than in athens (not the case, but that’s the idea) ---
**Author:** ![Subway\_Prophet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecb155/32.png) [@Subway\_Prophet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Subway_Prophet)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291/19 "2006-07-20T16:42:11Z")
I understand that a book is a man’s best friend outside of a dog. Inside a dog, it’s too dark to read. 😉 I believe that Anaheim, CA has the largest population of Marshallese people outside the Marshall Islands. ---
**Author:** ![Rodgers01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b19c9b/32.png) [@Rodgers01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rodgers01)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291/20 "2006-07-20T16:47:04Z")
[QUOTE=e-logic] Are there any examples of a situation where a city’s expat population exceeds the home nation’s capital city? ie. more greeks in sydney than in athens (not the case, but that’s the idea) [/QUOTE] I believe that for quite a while after WWII there were more Poles in Chicago than in Warsaw, but that is no longer the case. You might find this kind of thing for a nation in which the national capital is not the nation’s largest city. For example, there may well be more Australians in London than in Canberra. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291.md?page=2)