# The Largest Population of \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ outside \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [July 20, 2006, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291 "2006-07-20T04:17:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291/21 "2006-07-20T17:42:26Z")
If you made a list of cities by Irish population, I’m not sure Dublin would make the top 5. ---
**Author:** ![Ronald\_C.Semone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/cc9497/32.png) [@Ronald\_C.Semone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ronald_C.Semone)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291/22 "2006-07-20T17:49:56Z")
[QUOTE=1920s Style “Death Ray”] As mentioned in another thread, Melbourne, Australia, is the second largest Greek city after Athens. [/QUOTE] If Melbourne is the “second largest Greek city after Athens”, what is the largest Greek city after Athens? ---
**Author:** ![Ronald\_C.Semone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/cc9497/32.png) [@Ronald\_C.Semone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ronald_C.Semone)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291/23 "2006-07-20T17:49:41Z")
[QUOTE=1920s Style “Death Ray”] As mentioned in another thread, Melbourne, Australia, is the second largest Greek city after Athens. [/QUOTE] If Melbourne is the “second largest Greek city after Athens”, what is the largest Greek city after Athens? ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291/24 "2006-07-20T17:50:53Z")
[QUOTE=Beware of Doug] And I am willing to bet my left oyster that none of you knew that Des Moines, IA, has the largest Sudanese population outside Africa (916 as of 2001). [/QUOTE] I’d need a more reliable cite than that, since I believe my church alone has about 100 Sudanese refugees - and there are many, many more throughout the city. And Nashville is only a medium-sized city. ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291/25 "2006-07-20T18:18:00Z")
The largest population of Jews outside of New York City is in Jerusalem. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dpimi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9dc877/32.png) [@Dpimi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dpimi)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291/26 "2006-07-20T18:19:00Z")
One thing you must ask is what are they counting. Usually the statement is fudged a bit. For instance they say Chicago has the largest group of people DECENDED from Polish immigrants. In otherwords I may be one quarter Pole and counted as Polish? Does this mean 1/4 Polish is the same as someone in Poland that is 100% Polish? So you want to read, because this is a claim every city makes for itself, for whatever nationality. For instance NYC supposedly has more Jews than any other city in the world. However Tel Aviv metropolitan area has more Jews than NYC proper. So what are you exactly comparing? Metro population to City Proper? I know people who are 100% Japanese that will say they are Latino because they are Mexican citizens. There parents immigrated from Japan to Mexico. The kids are 100% of Japanese parentage, now they are in the USA. But because the census says Latinos may be of any race, these people claim and are able to receive minority status as Latinos. Another instance is the French Gov’t Offical website says about 100 million people speak French as a first, second or third language. Then it says another 60 - 75 million speak it occassionally. And perhaps another 100 million have some working knowledge of French. These numbers are probably true but in reality inflated. Is a person who speaks French as a THIRD language the same as one who speaks it everyday? ---
**Author:** ![MrSquishy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MrSquishy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrSquishy)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291/27 "2006-07-20T18:31:23Z")
I’ve heard that San Francisco’s Chinatown is the largest population of Chinese outside of China. ---
**Author:** ![Jayrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Jayrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jayrot)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291/28 "2006-07-20T19:03:47Z")
[QUOTE=MrSquishy] I’ve heard that San Francisco’s Chinatown is the largest population of Chinese outside of China. [/QUOTE] Well according to my Wikipedia link (above) there are 7.3 million Chinese in Indonesia and only 2.3 million in the US, so I find that claim dubious. Of course as \*\*Dpimi \*\*points out, it all depends on exactly what and how you are counting. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2006, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291/29 "2006-07-21T05:35:23Z")
> [@](#): > > Montreal is the largest French-speaking cuty outside France. I dunno - I hear Laetitia Casta is taller than she looks. ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2006, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291/30 "2006-07-21T05:54:38Z")
I had always heard that Garden Grove, California (in Orange County, the county south of Los Angeles but part of the greater Los Angeles urban area) had the largest population of Vietnamese outside Vietnam. However, this article I found at a local website ([mylittlesaigon.com article](http://www.mylittlesaigon.com/viet-local-news/little-saigon-local-news/nguyen%11lam-will-refuse-school-supt.-offer/)) has the following information > [@](#): > > Westminster and the neighboring city of Garden Grove, are known as Little Saigon, home to the largest Vietnamese community outside of Vietnam. Note that many of these people are first or second generation immigrants from Vietnam. The large Vietnamese population in those two cities is also mentioned at this Wikipedia article: [Vietnamese Americans - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese_American) ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2006, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291/31 "2006-07-21T06:52:18Z")
[QUOTE=Ronald C. Semone] If Melbourne is the “second largest Greek city after Athens”, what is the largest Greek city after Athens? [/QUOTE] Sorry, badly worded. Melbourne is the second largest Greek city. Athens is the largest. ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2006, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291/32 "2006-07-21T07:32:00Z")
In other words, there are more people of Greek extraction living in Melbourne, Australia than anywhere in Greece, with the exception of Athens. ---
**Author:** ![Schnitte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/schnitte/32/9033_2.png) [@Schnitte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Schnitte)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2008, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291/33 "2008-04-21T08:50:56Z")
[QUOTE=Beware of Doug] LA also has the largest Iranian population outside Teheran, the largest Korean population outside Seoul, and the largest Filipino population outside Manila. [[cite]](http://www.laalmanac.com/did_you_know_archive.htm) [/QUOTE] My input is that one should be careful with such statements. There are some really big (population-wise) cities on the Philippines; the second one, after Manila, is Davao, with a population of 1.7 million in the city [according to Wiki](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davao_City), and then comes Cebu with about [800,000](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cebu_City), most of which, I guess, are Filipino (the Philippines are no major immigrant destination). If you count metropolitan area instead of teh city proper, you get 3.7 million for Davao and 2 million for Cebu. I know that Los Angeles is big, and I know there are many Filipinos there, but I don’t believe its Filipino population matches these numbers. Same for the statement on Polish people in Chicago. The second largest city in Poland, Krakow, has a population of 750,000 (again, [Wiki](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krak%C3%B3w)), and I don’t think Chicago can boost that many Polish. The second largest city of Greece, [Thessaloniki](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thessaloniki), has a population of 360,000, which easily exceeds the numbers provided for Sydney (I know that you can’t equal the population of a city with the number of people of a given ethnic origin, but I think it’s fair to assume that the major part of people living in Krakow or Thessaloniki is of Polish, or Greek respectively, ethnicity, even given the free movement of persons within the EU). These statements are easily made by people who want to underpin the urbanity and the cosmopolitan character of their cities, but that doesn’T necessarily make them true. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Gadai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@An\_Gadai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Gadai)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2008, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291/34 "2008-04-21T11:38:08Z")
Psssst wrong thread. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2008, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-largest-population-of-__________-outside-_________/365291/35 "2008-04-21T12:08:27Z")
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