# The Latest Beheading by Terrorists **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 18, 2004, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127 "2004-06-18T23:06:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![jacksen9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ce73a5/32.png) [@jacksen9](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jacksen9)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2004, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/181 "2004-06-22T23:33:49Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > Why? The country didn’t do it; the country didn’t \*allow \*it to happen. It happened, like most wrongdoing, due to individual misbehavior, and in this case, the misbehavior of a very few individuals. If anything, the country stopped it. If they wear the uniform, they represent this country. As for this being misbehavior of individuals… we shall see. There seems to be some evidence that suggests that this was systematic and encouraged, required, or ignored by people higher up. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2004, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/182 "2004-06-22T23:40:41Z")
> [@Eric II](#): > > Hey Milum, look here tough guy: > > [http://goddoubleplusblessamerica.org/jest/card-iraqi-disarmament.jpg](http://goddoubleplusblessamerica.org/jest/card-iraqi-disarmament.jpg) > > Eric What is this supposed to mean? How many times do you think such a thing (and worse) would happen should Iraq have turned out to have WMD and they fell into the hands of al-Qaeda? What do you think happened to children on board the planes that were hijacked. What do you think we should do…just fold up our table, pull all Westerners out of all Arab lands, engage in no commerce with Arab countries, keep all evidence of Western lifestyle off the televison and radio airwaves and Internet, do nothing to retaliate regardless of the provocation or what attacks may be visited upon us…because to do so is going to result in an innocent being harmed? As horrible and reprehensible as it is, much more and worse would be the result of capitulation. (And, for the record, much worse could be and was going on under the Hussein regime. If you’re so concerned about things such as this photo represents, where is your delight in the fact that tens of thousands of Iraqis are no longer being subjected to torture; the torture of their children in front of their own eyes; dismemberment, etc., all of which were hallmarks of the Hussein regime? I know I’m damn glad of it! How about you?) ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2004, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/183 "2004-06-22T23:45:38Z")
> [@jacksen9](#): > > If they wear the uniform, they represent this country. As for this being misbehavior of individuals… we shall see. There seems to be some evidence that suggests that this was systematic and encouraged, required, or ignored by people higher up. Do you feel “ashamed” every time someone in an American uniform commits a murder, takes drugs, fails to pay his child support, etc.? I hope not. If you do, you’re just being silly. And if you don’t, the same applies to the miscreants in Iraq. It’s foolish to adopt the philosophy that misbehavior by someone in uniform “shames” you or the country. Like I said – and you didn’t respond to – if anything, the country \*stopped \*it! ---
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2004, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/184 "2004-06-22T23:50:16Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > Do you feel “ashamed” every time someone in an American uniform commits a murder, takes drugs, fails to pay his child support, etc.? I hope not. If you do, you’re just being silly. And if you don’t, the same applies to the miscreants in Iraq. It’s foolish to adopt the philosophy that misbehavior by someone in uniform “shames” you or the country. Like I said – and you didn’t respond to – if anything, the country \*stopped \*it! Sounds like you don’t care about this country very much. O\_o I’m ashamed that the incidents of rape around a US military base overseas is sickeningly high. You wave a little flag over it? ---
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2004, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/185 "2004-06-22T23:54:08Z")
Oooooh, now I get it. You just feel no shame! No shame over Bush and his blatant lies and fumbling, no shame over raped prisoners, no shame over 10,000 dead Iraqis. You just don’t feel any shame about it! It is just normal and acceptable in the daily course of your life to expect the President of the United States to lie bold faced and invade another country killing a few thousand people. No matter! Bet you weren’t ashamed of Clinton at all, either! Guess there is no reason to cry about Kerry and his ribbon tossing! No shame! I suddenly completely understand your position now, **SA**. If you just don’t feel shame about all of these things, they lose all meaning, and you can go on with life feeling **proud** about raping prisoners and riding them like ponies while forcefully masturbating them in front of a giant US flag and taking pictures for everyone to see. You feel no shame! No wonder. No wonder you have absolutely no clue why anyone is upset at us - you don’t feel that we’ve done anything shameful. Whew, all so clear now. ---
**Author:** ![jacksen9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ce73a5/32.png) [@jacksen9](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jacksen9)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2004, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/186 "2004-06-22T23:55:45Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > Do you feel “ashamed” every time someone in an American uniform commits a murder, takes drugs, fails to pay his child support, etc.? I hope not. If you do, you’re just being silly. And if you don’t, the same applies to the miscreants in Iraq. It’s foolish to adopt the philosophy that misbehavior by someone in uniform “shames” you or the country. Like I said – and you didn’t respond to – if anything, the country \*stopped \*it! Thanks for telling me what I am being. Silly and foolish. OK. Maybe I should follow your reasoned responses more carefully. ---
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2004, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/187 "2004-06-22T23:58:01Z")
Sorry I’m posting so much, but the world is clearing up thanks to **Starving Artist** ’s revelation. No wonder! The Muslims don’t feel any shame over Al Qaeda, right? Sorry, I’m new at this “blissful ignorance” thing. I’m still learning. Teach me, O Master! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/188 "2004-06-23T00:00:13Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > Do you feel “ashamed” every time someone in an American uniform commits a murder, takes drugs, fails to pay his child support, etc.? I hope not. If you do, you’re just being silly… No, and I don’t much care about their library book fines or their record as to jaywalking. And if you are comparing such minor misbehavior to the crimes at Agu Ghraib, I submit you have no standing to use words like “silly”. > [@](#): > > Like I said – and you didn’t respond to – if anything, the country \*stopped \*it! At the very least, I expect such behavior to never happen at all. Disapproval after the fact is somewhere below that. ---
**Author:** ![Milum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ea666f/32.png) [@Milum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Milum)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/189 "2004-06-23T02:07:23Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > Do you feel “ashamed” every time someone in an American uniform commits a murder, takes drugs, fails to pay his child support, etc.? I hope not. If you do, you’re just being silly. And if you don’t, the same applies to the miscreants in Iraq. It’s foolish to adopt the philosophy that misbehavior by someone in uniform “shames” you or the country. Like I said – and you didn’t respond to – if anything, the country \*stopped \*it! Take a moment **Starving Artist** , step back and think about the recuring patterns of responces that develope in any thread here that challanges the coactive mindset of the left. It is not a plot that these folk are acting out, they are true democrats with a capital “D”. To them reality with a capital “R”, can be voted on just like a tax increase, and truth can be made manifest by majority rule. No matter that no one here is privy to the absolute facts of any event concerning the War in Iraq, those of the left are unthinkingly resolute in the rightness of the political stance that is their vogue, and so they speak words for the pragmatic effect, and not for meaning. We, of course, assume a great disadvantage when we use reason or logic in our arguments to understand the world as it is. You, and or me, and or **December** (may God bless his soul), and a single handful of others who post here (but whom I won’t identify) are (and in December’s case -were) handsome long-horned water buffalos stuck in verbal quagmires; each surrounded by a smelly pack of ugly hyenas who dart in, take quick bites, and then dart out hurriedly - least they get a blow of common sense and reason kicked into their sweet single-minded little heads. After a fashion this becomes tiring, but what’s a guy to do? Quit? I have a plan… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/190 "2004-06-23T02:12:55Z")
> [@Milum](#): > > I have a plan… 😉 Sounds like a Beer Hall Pusctschshsche coming up O\_o ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/191 "2004-06-23T02:16:43Z")
Dunno. Still caught with the imagery of the hyenas puking thier guts out. “Carrion, ok, but this shit! Raaaaaalllllph!” ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/192 "2004-06-23T02:34:44Z")
> [@Zagadka](#): > > and you can go on with life feeling **proud** about raping prisoners and riding them like ponies while forcefully masturbating them in front of a giant US flag and taking pictures for everyone to see. You see, when you post such nonsense as this, or your previous ridiculousness about raping mothers with M16s and being angels sent to save them, you have to expect most of what you say to be ignored…and what responses you do get to stop “_just_” short of insults. If you really want to discuss anything, I would suggest you put down your comic books and read whatever post by **Mr. Svinlesha** you can find. If you could manage to follow his example you would appear much more intelligent and mature, and you wouldn’t be frustrated by people either ignoring or talking down to you. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/193 "2004-06-23T02:36:48Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > You see, when you post such nonsense as this, or your previous ridiculousness about raping mothers with M16s and being angels sent to save them, you have to expect most of what you say to be ignored…and what responses you do get to stop “_just_” short of insults. > > If you really want to discuss anything, I would suggest you put down your comic books and read whatever post by **Mr. Svinlesha** you can find. If you could manage to follow his example you would appear much more intelligent and mature, and you wouldn’t be frustrated by people either ignoring or talking down to you. :dubious: Yadda yadda. I’m not the one pronouncing my utter lack of emotion over pictures of US soldiers raping Iraqis. O\_o ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/194 "2004-06-23T02:40:20Z")
Ahhh…another brilliant, witty and dead-on post by **Milum**! 😉 Unfortunately, I have other business to attend to at the moment, but I’ll try come back and join in the fun as soon as I can. ---
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/195 "2004-06-23T02:45:24Z")
Spew. You guys going to give us warning before you start phsyically blowing each other, or will it be spontaneous? I mean, seriously? Are you debating how right each other is? “Cherrio, good sir, I believe that you were even righter than I just now!” “No no, old chap, your righteousness is right on!” “Ah-hahaha” ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/196 "2004-06-23T03:06:02Z")
> [@](#): > > Sounds like a Beer Hall Pusctschshsche coming up Nah. Suicide by Mod, I reckon. No skin off my nose either way, but **Zag** , IMO you are letting yourself be wound up here. ---
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/197 "2004-06-23T03:09:58Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Nah. Suicide by Mod, I reckon. No skin off my nose either way, but **Zag** , IMO you are letting yourself be wound up here. Nah, I’m not really wound up. Just thought it’d be funny. Though maybe we should talk to the mods about a new rule about not making 20 posts complimenting each other back and forth. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/198 "2004-06-23T03:12:26Z")
> [@Zagadka](#): > > Yadda yadda. I’m not the one pronouncing my utter lack of emotion over pictures of US soldiers raping Iraqis. O\_o A couple of things, **Zaggy**! What pictures of U.S. soldiers raping Iraqis? And if you’ve lost lucidity to the point you no longer even know what you’re referring to and you’re actually talking about my question as to whether a person should feel shame over military personnel committing ordinary crimes such as robbery, etc., I was actually referring to crimes occurring inside the U.S. Now, let me get down on your level and try it this way: I single, double, triple, and quadruple-dare you to show me where I ever even spoke to U.S. soldiers raping Iraqis; and I dare you in the same silly but a propo way to show where I’ve even seen pictures of U.S. soldiers raping Iraqis, much less expressed my feelings in regard to them to you. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/199 "2004-06-23T03:18:44Z")
> [@Zagadka](#): > > Nah, I’m not really wound up. Just thought it’d be funny. Well, just for the record, I thought it was pretty funny myself. I didn’t know \*\*Zag \*\*had it in him. 😃 Oh, and **Zag** , when you talk to the mods see if you can get them to prohibit wild-eyed, over-the-top exaggerations (as in show me anywhere near 20 posts between \*\*Milum \*\*and myself, and/or raping mothers with M-16s and calling ourselves angels for doing it and attributing it to me). ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/200 "2004-06-23T03:20:00Z")
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