# The Latest Beheading by Terrorists **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 18, 2004, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127 "2004-06-18T23:06:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/141 "2004-06-21T02:25:44Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > Sure, Milum, I’m always happy to lend a hand in the fight for what’s right. 😉 Maybe you can, in your infinite wisdom, tell us what the debate is about? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/142 "2004-06-21T02:26:21Z")
> [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > You have joined in the argument that attempts to minimize the outrage at torture committed at Abu Ghraib by comparing it to beheadings committed by terrorists. We’ve done nothing of the sort! What we’ve done is point out the hypocrisy on the part of the those who were so “outraged” over the treatment of Iraqi prisoners and attempted to use it as a weapon to argue against our involvement in Iraq. We’re wondering where the outrage was over the much worse humun treatment visited upon Paul Johnson. We know the answer, of course: it’s because outrage expressed over that would tend to create support for our action in Iraq, which is what the real problem is here in the first place. [QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] Please help me to see otherwise if you wish to continue a debate on the topic. How is your (and **Milum’s** ) debate topic _not_ “Their terrorist acts are worse than our terrorist acts”? I have no debate topic and I don’t mean to be rude, but I don’t really care to engage in a debate with you in the first place. I came into this thread primarily to try to help explain to those who were claiming not to understand Milum’s point in the OP what it was that he was driving at. My responses to you have been in regard to comments you have made either to me or to things I’ve posted. > [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > If your “argument” is rather that the topic was not being debated, so this means we are pro-beheading, I would suggest that there are thousands of topics not being debated at the present time. Can you say “false premise?” “False,” as in inaccurate or untrue. > [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > For instance, you have not once mentioned your outrage at Jeffrey Dahmer here, so shall I suggest that you have no problem with homosexual mass murdering cannibals? Or shall I more reasonably assume that you are against homosexual mass murdering cannibals until you express your support for them? I must be making pretty good headway here for you to be grasping at such silly straws. ---
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/143 "2004-06-21T02:30:33Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > We’ve done nothing of the sort! What we’ve done is point out the hypocrisy on the part of the those who were so “outraged” over the treatment of Iraqi prisoners and attempted to use it as a weapon to argue against our involvement in Iraq. Your dog shits on the carpet. You tell him “bad boy” and put him out back for a few hours. Your husband shits on the carpet. You…? The point is, from one, you expect it. They are the bad guys, that is what they do. That is why we are fighting them. Because they behead people. Right? The other, you expect to stand of for what you believe in. You expect them to behave a proper way. You expect them to NOT behead people, or to NOT rape them with flashlights, or to NOT beat them to death. Thus, when they DO do so, you’re a tad more pissed off. Unless you want to be a relativist about everything? Hm? Absolutist, everyone held to the same values? In that case, 3,000 people dying on 9/11 is piss and shit compared to everything else on the planet, so you can suck it up and go home. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/144 "2004-06-21T02:48:56Z")
> [@David Simmons](#): > > All of your yammering about the developing of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons concerns events of years ago. Oh, I see. Sorry, I thought WMD and its development technology had a longer life span than that. > [@David Simmons](#): > > His defiance of UN resolution was a matter for the UN to solve, not the US unilaterally. And our planes were patrolling the no-fly zones as agents of the UN I believe. That would be all well and good if the U.N. actually \*did \*anything. > [@David Simmons](#): > > Our own weapons inspector David Kaye has said that his conclusion is that Iraq had no weapons or weapons programs. How would \*he \*know, given that all of Iraq’s neighbors, most of Europe, the U.S. intelligence services and the U.N. itself all believed he did. > [@David Simmons](#): > > Your supposed justifications are either by events of years ago; have been shown as mistaken No, they are not supposed. They \*are \*my justifications. > [@David Simmons](#): > > or are matters for the UN as a body and including the US to solve. I couldn’t disagree more. How many members of the U.N. were killed on 9/11? How many would be killed if a dirty bomb went off in New York City or Washington? > [@David Simmons](#): > > All of those reasons are just window dressing and they were all trotted out by the GW cabal only to be dismissed by most of the world as not being a clear and present danger to anybody. I would remind you that this is only your opinion. It certainly isn’t a fact. > [@David Simmons](#): > > That’s the thing that you continually overlook. Going to war in the absence of a direct attack is possibly the most grave action a nation can take. What arrogance! I neither overlook it nor disagree with it. However, for the reasons I outlined I believe this grave action is not only justified but imperative. > [@David Simmons](#): > > Maybe, probably, woulda, coulda and all the weasling deriviatives thereof are only good enough for those who had other reasons for starting the war. Bullshit. > [@David Simmons](#): > > Wolfowitz said that there were other reasons and that the announced ones were just those that would sell. I’m not sure I remember him saying what those other reasons were. Who knows. Since you can’t remember them, I can’t speak to them. > [@David Simmons](#): > > You are merely repeating the same tired justifications that have been refuted and the refutation admitted by representatives of the administration. I think you just wanted to get even with somebody for the WTC attacks and Iraq was handy. A cat to be kicked as it were. Think what you wish. I know the basis of my reasoning to be as I’ve descibed. If you want to interpret it differently, go right ahead. It won’t make your opinion fact. > [@David Simmons](#): > > Don’t bother me again unless you have something besides “Saddam used WMD 25 years ago.” Again, what arrogance! Just like I said to **Hentor** , anything I’ve said to you has been in response to a question \*you \*posed to me or in regard to some comment \*you \*made about something I said. Further, I paid for the privilege of posting to these forums and I will do so anytime I like. ---
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/145 "2004-06-21T02:53:14Z")
[QUOTE=Starving ArtistHow would \*he \*know, given that all of Iraq’s neighbors, most of Europe, the U.S. intelligence services and the U.N. itself all believed he did.[/quote] Kinda funny, how they were all wrong, isn’t it? > [@](#): > > How many members of the U.N. were killed on 9/11? How many would be killed if a dirty bomb went off in New York City or Washington? Depends, are we counting Americans as “members of the UN,” or have we not officially withdrawn and flipped them off yet? I would like to think that your previous complaint about the UN’s “not doing anything” and the UN’s “not being attacked” are SOMEHOW linked, but I just can’t put my finger on it… ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/146 "2004-06-21T03:04:45Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > We’ve done nothing of the sort! What we’ve done is point out the hypocrisy on the part of the those who were so “outraged” over the treatment of Iraqi prisoners and attempted to use it as a weapon to argue against our involvement in Iraq. I know I would be outraged to see such behavior by US armed forces anywhere. I don’t expect it from them because I regard them as morally superior to those who commit such acts. President Bush claimed he was “disgusted” by it, why shouldn’t I be? > [@](#): > > We’re wondering where the outrage was over the much worse humun treatment visited upon Paul Johnson. We know the answer, of course: it’s because outrage expressed over that would tend to create support for our action in Iraq, which is what the real problem is here in the first place. Do not dare to make such a hairbrained assertion that my feelings about Mr. Johnson are subsumed by my political feelings. If I were to express my outrage about the matter in a political nature, it would be to say that our being in Iraq appears to be increasing beheadings, not that being in Iraq is justified by beheadings. Do you think that Iraqis are beheading people? Do you think Saddam loyalists are behind this? His beheading demonstrates that we have wasted so much - so much time, money, effort and lives NOT going after al Queda, but invading Iraq for nothing. We should have not rested until al Queda was crushed, but what do we have? We are pulling troops out of South Korea and other parts of the world. We have alienated supporters and increased the motivation for others to act against us. The number of terrorist acts has increased, and the number we have foiled has decreased. What you and Milum are doing is wrong on several levels. You are attempting to compare the acts of terrorists with the US military. You are equating the victims of torture at Abu Ghraib, who were largely Iraqi citizens pulled off the street with Islamic terrorists. You are concluding that acts of al Quada justify our invading Iraq. [quote] Can you say “false premise?” “False,” as in inaccurate or untrue. [quote] Can you explain how is it false? You are claiming that my lack of mention of the beheading of Mr. Johnson indicates my feeling on the topic. Have you mentioned Jeffrey Dahmer here? Well, doesn’t that mean something about your feelings for Jeffrey Dahmer? > [@](#): > > I must be making pretty good headway here for you to be grasping at such silly straws. Like a true Republican, you keep claiming “Mission Accomplished.” But you and **Milum** can keep high-fiving each other. You are equally intelligent and equally good debaters. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/147 "2004-06-21T03:04:50Z")
> [@Zagadka](#): > > I would like to think that your previous complaint about the UN’s “not doing anything” and the UN’s “not being attacked” are SOMEHOW linked, but I just can’t put my finger on it… Are you saying if we don’t \*do \*anything, terrorists won’t attack us? We weren’t doing anything (unless you want to count some of us Western “infidels” having set foot on Muslim soil) on 9/11! ---
**Author:** ![Duckster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duckster/32/1244_2.png) [@Duckster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duckster)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/148 "2004-06-21T03:08:24Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > Because it speaks to your suggestion that we try to understand their point of view and grievances. They don’t want anything to do with Western culture or Westerners in general. The terrorist activity that’s going on in Saudi Arabia is a result of the alliances and commerce that exist between Saudi Arabia and the U.S. Point taken. > [@](#): > > Perhaps it was. I’m sure many tacticians over the centuries have said the same thing. However, your post seemed to indicate in a superior and condescending way that Muslim terrorist activity is in large part our fault, and that until we learn to understand (and by inferrence, capitulate to) their greivances and motivations, we can only rightly expect more of the same. And my response was intended to show that no matter what we know or understand, there is no way logistically or practically in which to satisfy their complaints. > > If this was not your intended message, I will certainly apologize. Attempting to understand an opponent’s motivations does not mean capitulating to them. It just means what it means. Be it the police in a hostage situation, sports opponents, or even terrorists, when you begin to understand their motivations and directions _from their perspective_ it is easier (undefined) to locate weaknesses and defeat them. At the same time, it should bring a self-awareness that what we do, have done in the past, and apparently continue to do, may spark such terrorism against us. This by no means an attempt to blame ourselves for the terrorist committing such acts against us. Instead, it may help in understanding how our attitudes, opinons and motivations are seen by terrorists and why they seek to attack us. In the end, could we be doing something differently? Perhaps, but again this is not capitulation. ---
**Author:** ![Milum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ea666f/32.png) [@Milum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Milum)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/149 "2004-06-21T03:30:53Z")
> [@Zagadka](#): > > Your dog shits on the carpet. You tell him “bad boy” and put him out back for a few hours. > > Your husband shits on the carpet. You…? > > The point is, from one, you expect it. They are the bad guys, that is what they do. That is why we are fighting them. Because they behead people. Right? The other, you expect to stand of for what you believe in. You expect them to behave a proper way. You expect them to NOT behead people, or to NOT rape them with flashlights, or to NOT beat them to death. Thus, when they DO do so, you’re a tad more pissed off. > > Unless you want to be a relativist about everything? Hm? Absolutist, everyone held to the same values? > > In that case, 3,000 people dying on 9/11 is piss and shit compared to everything else on the planet, so you can suck it up and go home. Damnit **Zagdaka** , you woke me up! Your shit-on-the-carpet example is bullshit. Doesn’t your young graduate-school mind realize that the principal of inherent equality for all of the citizens of this planet cannot be compromised. Otherwise a bond would be broken with the most fundamental of postulates that are held by 30% of the people of this world who are freemen and freewomen. You in your youth can toss about silly academic terms like “relativist” and “absolutist” but to no avail. Reality laughs at such clumcy constructions. Grab your coat. The train that will take you to freedom is pulling out of the station. Get aboard… Now! ---
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/150 "2004-06-21T05:31:21Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > Are you saying if we don’t \*do \*anything, terrorists won’t attack us? We weren’t doing anything (unless you want to count some of us Western “infidels” having set foot on Muslim soil) on 9/11! Well, with your definition of “not doing anything” we could be raping their mothers with the business end of a M-16 and be Holy Angels sent by the Lord to protect them. ---
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/151 "2004-06-21T05:42:52Z")
> [@Milum](#): > > Damnit **Zagdaka** , you woke me up! Your shit-on-the-carpet example is bullshit. > Doesn’t your young graduate-school mind realize that the principal of inherent equality for all of the citizens of this planet cannot be compromised. Why **Milum** , glad to see you’re on board the equality train, considering that earlier you were of the opinion that American cultures succeeds because it is so much better than those other cultures. Well, now that you’re on board, I’m sure you’ll see the 3,000 deaths on 9/11 business was a drop in the bucket compared to how many people we’ve killed before (and since). It is only something to be expected! > [@](#): > > You in your youth can toss about silly academic terms like “relativist” and “absolutist” but to no avail. Reality laughs at such clumcy constructions. Sorry to have confused you with my fancy educated talk. What I meant to say is that if “we are all equals,” or as you put it, the “principal of inherent equality,” you’ve got a little 'splaining to do about the trail of corpses you’ve left behind, much less trying to justify complaining about one little beheading. I know you’re new at this whole “humanitarian” thing, but as you say, we’re all equals. I believe there are some people in Sudan who are interested in talking to you. > [@](#): > > Grab your coat. The train that will take you to freedom is pulling out of the station. > > Get aboard… Now! Did you catch a little German accent there? Where is this train going to, anyway? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/152 "2004-06-21T06:18:13Z")
> [@Duckster](#): > > Point taken. > > Attempting to understand an opponent’s motivations does not mean capitulating to them. It just means what it means. Be it the police in a hostage situation, sports opponents, or even terrorists, when you begin to understand their motivations and directions _from their perspective_ it is easier (undefined) to locate weaknesses and defeat them. At the same time, it should bring a self-awareness that what we do, have done in the past, and apparently continue to do, may spark such terrorism against us. This by no means an attempt to blame ourselves for the terrorist committing such acts against us. Instead, it may help in understanding how our attitudes, opinons and motivations are seen by terrorists and why they seek to attack us. > > In the end, could we be doing something differently? Perhaps, but again this is not capitulation. As you yourself said, point taken. I understand better now and I can say I completely agree with you here. Perhaps I’ve become so accustomed to snide and condescending comments here than I occasionally see them where none are intended. I do apologize. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/153 "2004-06-21T06:33:37Z")
> [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > I know I would be outraged to see such behavior by US armed forces anywhere. I don’t expect it from them because I regard them as morally superior to those who commit such acts. President Bush claimed he was “disgusted” by it, why shouldn’t I be? The problem isn’t that you are disgusted or outraged by what happened. The genesis of this thread was the apparent lack of disgust and outrage at what happened to Paul Johnson. > [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > Do not dare to make such a hairbrained assertion that my feelings about Mr. Johnson are subsumed by my political feelings. Perhaps if you got down off your high horse, you could see more clearly what’s going on here on the ground. Where did I speak specifically as to your particular feelings? When one speaks of a group of people, I would think there would be room for differences and/or degrees of feeling and/or behavior. What a silly, junior high type of comment! > [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > If I were to express my outrage about the matter in a political nature, it would be to say that our being in Iraq appears to be increasing beheadings, not that being in Iraq is justified by beheadings. And you would be perfectly free to do so, and you would be right. But when has a war been fought without resistance and attempts to get the other side to back off? It’s part of war. You could say the same thing about the children and women used as human sheilds by Iraqi fighters when the war began. Our military set out to engage their military. This is the way wars are fought, and it is in accordance with the Geneva Convention. Some of those cowards came firing at our troops while hiding behind women and children; others tried to flee while hiding behind women and children in the hopes we wouldn’t shoot and they could get away. This type of behavior, and the beheadings as well, speak to the barbaric and uncaring type of people we are dealing with. According to your apparent way of thinking, wars should be fought with no outside casualties. While this would certainly be desireable, it is idealistic and completely unrealistic, which is after all a hallmark of your way of thinking. I have to go now, but I will try to find time to (deservedly) rebut the remainder of your post tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/154 "2004-06-21T07:29:06Z")
Correction: make that “human _shields_.” ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/155 "2004-06-21T07:34:36Z")
> [@Zagadka](#): > > Well, with your definition of “not doing anything” we could be raping their mothers with the business end of a M-16 and be Holy Angels sent by the Lord to protect them. I can’t think of a better way to illustrate the mentality of the type of people I’m having to contend with here than with this remark! Keep this stuff up and it’s going to be hard to take you seriously enough to bother with. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/156 "2004-06-21T11:13:41Z")
> [@](#): > > The problem isn’t that you are disgusted or outraged by what happened. The genesis of this thread was the apparent lack of disgust and outrage at what happened to Paul Johnson. Which, as I have already pointed out, is simply a lie by **milum** that you are swallowing whole. Before **milum** ever posted his false rant in the wrong Forum, pretending that no one was outraged at Mr. Johnson’s death, there had already been four separate threads initiated on the topic (two within ten minutes of the news being reported–long before **miulum** got around to posting) and a couple of other threads that alluded to it. **milum** ’s thesis is false (I suspect deliberately so), and that is the sillyness that I am surprised you are buying into. ---
**Author:** ![Milum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ea666f/32.png) [@Milum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Milum)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/157 "2004-06-21T11:53:26Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Which, as I have already pointed out, is simply a lie by **milum** that you are swallowing whole. Before **milum** ever posted his false rant in the wrong Forum, pretending that no one was outraged at Mr. Johnson’s death, there had already been four separate threads initiated on the topic (two within ten minutes of the news being reported–long before **miulum** got around to posting) and a couple of other threads that alluded to it. > > **milum** ’s thesis is false (I suspect deliberately so), and that is the sillyness that I am surprised you are buying into. Wow, **tomndebb** , will all the dips and dodges of the speakers from the left on this forum never cease? Listen… **The Pit** is a bad neighborhood where decent people never trod. It is a place of deviates and bankrobbers; a smelly, unsavory place where teenagers can go and say “motherfuck” without rebuke. This is also the place where your refered \* " four separate threads"\* reported Mister Johnson’s beheading. Hardly a decent burial for Mister Johnson’s sad plight. Do you not think? Jeez. ---
**Author:** ![Cerri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3bc359/32.png) [@Cerri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cerri)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/158 "2004-06-21T12:11:57Z")
The Pit also happens to be the place most of us stow our anger and outrage about things. The fact that there were 4 Pit threads on it, makes it appear that there was, in fact, moral outrage about the incident, so you’re still wrong. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/159 "2004-06-21T13:00:56Z")
> [@](#): > > Listen…The Pit is a bad neighborhood where decent people never trod. > It is a place of deviates and bankrobbers; a smelly, unsavory place where teenagers can go and say “motherfuck” without rebuke. The fact that you would mischaracterize the **Pit** in this way while bringing your own rant (for that is what your OP was) to _this_ Forum expresses exactly how dishonest you are–both in your speech and in your actions. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127/160 "2004-06-21T13:04:39Z")
> [@Milum](#): > > Wow, **tomndebb** , will all the dips and dodges of the speakers from the left on this forum never cease? > > Listen… **The Pit** is a bad neighborhood where decent people never trod. > It is a place of deviates and bankrobbers; a smelly, unsavory place where teenagers can go and say “motherfuck” without rebuke. > > This is also the place where your refered \* " four separate threads"\* reported Mister Johnson’s beheading. > > Hardly a decent burial for Mister Johnson’s sad plight. > > Do you not think? > > Jeez. Well, your concern for his sad plight is very touching. It is much better served by your politicizing it here. Much more heart-felt. Let’s look at your eulogy. > [@Milum](#): > > Hey Gang, did anyone happen to catch the latest beheading of an innocent American citizen on TV today? Whatcha think? Wow. Nothing says serious tribute like “Hey gang!” And you sure have capture the essence of his life with “did anyone happen to catch the latest beheading”. This is not at all like a conversation around the water cooler. You know what is really odd, given your concern for Mister Johnson, and your dedication to ensuring that he is remembered in an appropriate forum? His name does not appear once in your OP. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-beheading-by-terrorists/251127.md?page=9)